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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 727 |
new credit needed
just wondering if people think we should have a new credit title added which should be INTRO
as alot of cracks i have seen someone has been credited with the intro for a crack and you cant add that to a release
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381 |
You could use Code. I don't think Intro is a good credit type.
Usually you don't credit the coder of the intro when adding a crack, just like you don't credit the person who did the graphics for the game. The main point is who cracked, trained, fixed or imported it. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
then we would also need intro-code, intro-gfx, intro-tune etc *shrug* |
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 727 |
hmm never thought of it like that.......your probably right |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
it would make more sence to add the intro in a seperated entry, and put proper credits there. then again, intros usually dont qualify as a release themselves, so they dont really belong here at all (intros.c64.org anyone?). |
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Jon
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Registered: Apr 2005
Posts: 247 |
I always credit the intro as "loader". Am I mistaken?
-Ninj |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1787 |
Quote: I always credit the intro as "loader". Am I mistaken?
-Ninj
I my opinion yes. "Loader" means disk-loader, and is often used to mean "drive code" in general.
Credits for the intro is usually not given. I agree about Groepaz idea of having separate intro entries. IIRC it has been discussed here earlier, but I can't seem to find the thread.
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SECRET MAN
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Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 336 |
I cant give credits to the loader if the game is a onefile game,or?
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 476 |
what's up with that 'test'-credit anyway
am i supposed to add that credit to every demo/intro that i tested before it got released? =) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
its so pathethic that ppl want credit for every 1 minute job.. |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
Quote: its so pathethic that ppl want credit for every 1 minute job..
intro should be seperate release type (if not already), its bs to add all introcredits for all cracks... redundancy anyone?
in a perfect world you could link a crack to the intro(s) used.
* this post was tested by Oswald |
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Danzig
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 440 |
on f.e. pouet they post daily dozens of CRACKTROS (I prefer Intro ;) ) and we SHOULD add Intros as a separate releasetype just to finally end up with a better statistic :D
Not 40000 Released but 70000 (30000 Intros f.e.)
Then we can boast to have the hugest amount of releases ever in the history or such bullshit... but I guess we already have :?
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
/me suggest a db import from http://intros.c64.org |
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Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
Since single intros are used on several cracks it definitely makes more sense to have an intro entry and a link from the crack to the intro. There IS an intro category already, it's just that it isn't used for intros currently :P |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
renaming it from "cracktro" into "crack intro" would be a good start :) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
or kaktro.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
yes :o) |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
couldn't find a more related thread, so I take a crap in this spot:
I was wondering, do we have to make a new entry for a crack intro every time a bit or byte is changed? (for instance, different tune or logo)
I stumbled upon this when I checked the Turtles intro in front of Kamikaze. Rough created a new entry for it (Turtles Intro), but there was allready a 'released as intro' entry (Turtles Intro 2) only with different music than the one used for Kamikaze. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
imho different file == different entry |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
ok, then we wait for the Turtles Intro file ;) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
Quote: imho different file == different entry
every intro has a different scrolltext at least and we're not going to add all of those as separate intros, are we? it's why we have the crack release type. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
err no, scrolltext should be obvious
however, anything else should....else it would be kinda hard to draw the line. whats a new intro? is a new logo enough? a new tune? a new logo, tune, and colors? or what? :) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
Quote: err no, scrolltext should be obvious
however, anything else should....else it would be kinda hard to draw the line. whats a new intro? is a new logo enough? a new tune? a new logo, tune, and colors? or what? :)
new intro: new gfx
not new intro: different tune
I dont see a problem in adding multiple music credits to an intro, like I've done here: Success Intro 07 |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Unrelated: add "First Release" credit also. |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Quote: Unrelated: add "First Release" credit also.
I think this can be derived from the release date.
Also, I don't think this should be a credit, as it can not be attached to a scener.
This is good info for 'trivia'. |
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
Quote: couldn't find a more related thread, so I take a crap in this spot:
I was wondering, do we have to make a new entry for a crack intro every time a bit or byte is changed? (for instance, different tune or logo)
I stumbled upon this when I checked the Turtles intro in front of Kamikaze. Rough created a new entry for it (Turtles Intro), but there was allready a 'released as intro' entry (Turtles Intro 2) only with different music than the one used for Kamikaze.
Discussion is unneccessary, I simply overlooked Violator's Turtles Intro entry, of course intros will not be added just because of another tune or charset.
I even don't make extra entries if just that the logo is changed, for that case I put a second screenshot in the comments. For me it is a different intro when there is enhanced code e.g. Triad Intro from Mr.Z and the advanced version from Janitor. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Quote: I think this can be derived from the release date.
Also, I don't think this should be a credit, as it can not be attached to a scener.
This is good info for 'trivia'.
Mace: I wish I had more energy at the moment to describe this to you. Maybe someone else will.
First release = original scene, it isn't "trivia" but paramount (and often neglected by the modern and in some cases naive scene :)) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
I think this is where demoscene and cracking scene clash.
I can see it's of importance, but it's a bit beyond me to make a fuzz about it, sorry.
Kind of 'harsh' to say it's naive, to be honest, but let's not go there in this thread :) |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1085 |
it's quite comparable with party results for the demoscene.
if you think who was first with a game is just a bit of trivia, then yes, that's a bit naive ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11351 |
it also can't really be derived from releasedates. quite often the official firstrelease wasnt actually the first release =) |
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
Yeah, yeah, ok, I get it... let's move on.
To add something to this thread: perhaps it can be done like with the various graphics types?
A kind of secondary category:
- first release
- recrack
- import
- intro linked (?) |
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null
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Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 645 |
Quote: Yeah, yeah, ok, I get it... let's move on.
To add something to this thread: perhaps it can be done like with the various graphics types?
A kind of secondary category:
- first release
- recrack
- import
- intro linked (?)
ooh, I like that idea!
and a fullscreen musician category please ;_)
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 942 |
If there are more release types added, then we can remove dentro and cracktro in exchange. First release seems indeed difficult to pinpoint, since many crackers had a bigger mouth than dick. |
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
From 88/89 on first releases can easily be judged, the first one to be on the major US boards, if possible including NTSC fix.
edit: and yes of course, sometimes non modem using groups had their cracks ready more early, e.g. The Power by Pulsar but who can truly judge that if it's true?! No way. |
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null
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Registered: Jun 2006
Posts: 645 |
Semi related, speaking of credits...
how about adding something to the group entries.. 'Intros by this group'?
Also, seeing the names of groups/sceners while browsing categories would also be nice.. right now it only shows release names.
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
I second that, group entries need the button sorting by Release Type like the sceners already have
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
I have documented ALL "first releases" (official) from 1991 to 2007 (http://www.atlantis-prophecy.org/onslaught/thelist.html). Before 1991 is quite difficult to be 100% certain on who did what, especially pre-1988.
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Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829 |
An interesting read this list is, the only thing I miss is are the corresponding fixing/importing groups. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
One for Mace:
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Mace
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799 |
:)
Thanks for that, Jazzcat |
