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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
reviving the real thing
just heard that the atarians have a solution to control their machines fully from a pc: disks/keyboard/joystick/etc. I find that approach extremely useful and cool :) maybe it will be possible with 1541ultimate? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
you're totally (and intentionally) missing the point. I did write emulator with quotation marks with a reason. everyone understood what this would be about except you (deliberately I guess), asking for even more descriptions, finally finding the word "emulator", and taking it literally for some nitpicking.
also adding some stupid boasting that this was done already 20 years ago and there are various solutions. show me the various solutions where you can swap disk images in a virtual drive which works 99% like the original + keyboard + joy control. bullshit. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
i totally understand what you want, and all i am saying is that it would require a quite massive hardware effort (interface to various places on the c64 board, usb to controll it all etc) - and it would STILL be missing a lot of the features that you can see in "real" hardware based development kits. for example to make this somewhat useful you would need all the mentioned interfacing for the diskdrive as well. you would need a lot of logic and effort to sync the whole bunch.
unless ofcourse, you dont care for features like proper freezing or singlestepping - but then the whole thing sounds even less useful to me. if all you want is a c64 inside the pc, with no further advantages - go ahead, you can probably built this in an evening or two using an avr or whatever you favor. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
What good for development is swapping disk image remotely if you cant change the content of the image remotely? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
i guess one implies the other, no? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
Groepaz, I dont think when one wants to control a c64&a virtual drive remotely with a pc, it is crucial to implement a singlestepping debug mode aswell to have it "somewhat useful".
Being able to feed the real thing with disk images, with a few clicks downloaded from the internet, 3 seconds before, is useful enough for me already. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
Quoting Groepaz
i guess one implies the other, no?
Ah, its another "everyone understood what this would be about except you"-things again. Very well then ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
Quote:
Groepaz, I dont think when one wants to control a c64&a virtual drive remotely with a pc, it is crucial to implement a singlestepping debug mode aswell to have it "somewhat useful".
well for me, it would be. i dont see moving my c64 from one box into the other as an improvement. (unless it'd mean moving it into my laptop case =P)
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5086 |
indeed, what I am proposing here is to move the c64 from one box into another. mission accomplished: thread destroyed. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350 |
whatever suits your trolling needs.... |
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Devia
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 401 |
Having the 1541u + rr-net connected at the same time, you could in theory create a new CodeNet that would allow you to transfer both code to the c64 as well as disk images to the 1541u.. - and since the reset and freeze buttons on 1541u are both routed through the FPGA as I have understood it, an option for software initiated hardware reset could be implemented if the author can be persuaded. This along with an option for UltiMax mode bootup would yield some pretty interesting possibilities I guess.
Of course this is all speculation and the 1541u doesn't currently carry any of these features as I have understood it.
Maybe even some pseudo sort-of singlestepping could be implemented this way by saving stuff/resetting/ultimax booting/loading stuff/executing/re-entering singlestep freeze mode.. a bit cumbersome, but theoretically doable, unless I'm overlooking something ;-) ..hmm it would probably not yield any better results than simple breakpoint-style stepping, though ;-)
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