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2008-12-20 05:07
The Shadow

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304
Release id #74018 : Mutant Camels Strikes Back +3 [pal/ntsc]

It is a pleasure to be active again in the scene. It feels like being young again. The Commodore 64 scene is a great experience for all of us.
The recent release of Mutant Camels Strikes Back has had mixed reviews and feelings. Back in the old scene many people imported games to their locale all around the world. Long before the internet, importing was considered to to be an art. It was an art since telephone calls across oceans were expensive and people had to work, in some form, to be able to make these telephone calls. It was customary for the importer to attach an intro to the already cracked game. Years later the standards raised. Importing alone was not sufficient and people were required to NTSC or Pal fix the import in order to receive proper credit. It also helped if a decent number of trainers were added to allow people another set of options for game play.
My work of the recent release was a process of remembering, re-learning and new discovery. The total work hours were approximately 48 spanning over a period of four days. Trainers have never been critical however NTSC or Pal fixing can mean the difference between a program working or not. Fixing has always been a highly regarded skill. I received a negative comment about my recent work, since it was not considered a 'clean crack'. I did not crack the game. I did make the game flicker free for people with NTSC computers and trainers for everyone. Does that effort not mean anything to people in the modern scene?
Back in the old scene, when a game was imported to the United States, it became a first release and no one else would release it. Unfortunately there a some multiple versions of cracks that were originally cracked by one group in America and released as imports by several groups in Europe. There should have been only one first release import for Pal computers allowed. Some of the imported versions were Pal fixed and some even with Pal/NTSC compatiple fixes that turned out to be the best versions. Training a game, Pal/NTSC fixing a game, adding high score saver routines, writing docs, bug fixing, levelpacking and adding other restorations to a game, improves the quality of the game. I enjoy improving and restoring games. Some originals simply are not available anymore to "clean crack" from scratch. There are plenty of games that can use an upgrade. Some of these games have been previously cracked with no original in sight. The Dominators were an old trading partner of mine. It is fully justified for me to once again put an Avatar intro next to a Dominators intro.
A person does not have any business putting an intro on a game unless they have made an improvement to the game...
 
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2008-12-21 04:07
The Shadow

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304
Moloch, yes fixing was required back in the latter part of the old scene. Many releases during the period somewhere after 1996 to even recently have been cracked and not fixed. It seemed as though people had forgotten how to scene. These new cracker rules, as of this year, are a good set of standards.

Ksubi: Do you mean the cracker's intro or the game's integrated intro? Regardless of what it is, if it flickers or crashes, it should be fixed.

Back in the day, many games were fixed by importing groups, yet few groups had the manners to fix the cracker's intro too. Even during the pressure of first releasing, it was possible to have time to fix the cracker's intro. If two groups were intimate enough to be exclusive traders or co-op, then it made sense to fix an intro as soon as it was created and to have the intro ready fixed for upcoming releases.

The new cracking standards makes no distinction between cracking and fixing groups. Cracking has finally been unified. The demo scene has risen to heights never before known. Incredible coding nowadays.
2008-12-21 04:18
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148
there hasnt been a difference between cracking- and fixing- groups atleast since 1995, if not earlier :) how would there be one, the US scene pretty much died in 1989 or so, and pal groups had to fix stuff themselves, for whatever stupid reason, its not like there was anyone left who would need ntsc fixed stuff =)

and i doubt there was a lot released since then that wasn't fixed (if it needed a fix) either (minus the flood of crap that was released by certain groups in the last year(s) =P). it was pretty much a must to fix a release if you wanted to get any points in the charts :)
2008-12-21 10:52
Ksubi
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Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 87
@The Shadow: the crack intro of both PAL/NTSC groups was (an still is in most cases) compatible either through some detection method (raster line count etc) or simple enough that it works fine on both systems.

2008-12-22 04:45
Moloch

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2897
Grope - 1993/94 was the end of majority of US based fixing.
2008-12-22 14:14
d0c

Registered: Apr 2006
Posts: 186
@the shadow

if you want originals to crack, check out these two sites..

http://tapes.c64.no/
http://c64tapes.org/

here is an uncracked disk game in g64 format, its a hard nut still not a proper release of this one... the game is called portal...

http://www.gb64.com/game.php?id=5836&d=18&h=0
2008-12-22 14:20
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148
didnt TWR want to crack it? =P
2008-12-22 14:25
d0c

Registered: Apr 2006
Posts: 186
@Groepaz

no, sadly it was just empty talk from twr...
2008-12-22 20:06
The Shadow

Registered: Oct 2007
Posts: 304
Thank you d0c. That "uncrackable" game will take some strong skills for someone to crack. There is always a way.
2011-04-11 13:18
Rough
Account closed

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829
Another huge list of dumped tapes:

http://www.tzxvault.org/C64/index.htm
2011-11-17 17:35
Rough
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Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1829
Still waiting for TWR's Portal crack...
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