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Knight Rider
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 116 |
Event id #3294 : X-2024
I was having a discussion with a few guys over beers in X'2023 and the compos. I was telling about my days as OR8 pilot in the RC world where we had junior, hobby and pro categories for the races.
To make it abit more motivational the people/groups who aren't 20 members strong each with 30+ years of demo coding experience it might be worth while considering other options ?
eg. some of the ideas we discussed:
. Having a pro (ie previous winner category) and hobby section so that contributors are compared to peers of similar experience
. Splitting the voting/ranking for 1 filers from multi disk entries
. Newcomer award for those individuals or teams who never submitted to X before |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2870 |
Quoting wacekQuoting Knight Riderweren't intros, but 4kb demos
Respectfully, 4kB intro is not an invention of C64 scene. Moreover, we are arguably the last platform to introduce it, so IMHO we should follow the definition and format that is long established. Meaning it is size-restricted as 40kB and 64kB intros but not in functional way connected to crack intros. Everybody would immediately understand "4KB demo" to refer to restricted executable size with unrestricted memory footprint, while "4KB intro" is quite ambiguous since at least ICC rules (restricted memory footprint) have been invented on this platform.
Calling demos intros was a stupid idea from the start, too. :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2870 |
Quoting GroepazI also find the idea of a compo suited for beginners very interesting - but i find it extremely hard to come up with a suitable category (because obviously, any new category will also attract the pros). That said, i found the amount of compos just right :) It might be an idea to bring back a jury based award instead, ie let some of those "top guys" vote for their favourite "newcomer" production. Yes, extra "best newcomer" awards or similar are better than having separate compos.
But then again, IF you start making demos and all for the prizes and recognition, you better be prepared to work hard to rise to the top rather than being pampered with pity awards. :] |
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Mr. SID
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 424 |
Quote: Respectfully I think annual X is a bad idea. Will drain other parties, and also less megamega prods will emerge. Also: May/June? :( I would prefer autumn again. But that might be just me, working within the School year (Same for Dane and so on) makes it impossible to attend during the most stressful time of the year. I would guess it's the same for a lot of guys with kids in school.
Isn't Oct/Nov also in the school year, but with shittier weather? :) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2870 |
Quoting Mr. SIDIsn't Oct/Nov also in the school year, but with shittier weather? :) Better conditions to be pretend-sick. =) |
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Knight Rider
Registered: Mar 2005
Posts: 116 |
Quoting KrillQuoting wacekQuoting Knight Riderweren't intros, but 4kb demos
Respectfully, 4kB intro is not an invention of C64 scene. Moreover, we are arguably the last platform to introduce it, so IMHO we should follow the definition and format that is long established. Meaning it is size-restricted as 40kB and 64kB intros but not in functional way connected to crack intros. Everybody would immediately understand "4KB demo" to refer to restricted executable size with unrestricted memory footprint, while "4KB intro" is quite ambiguous since at least ICC rules (restricted memory footprint) have been invented on this platform.
Calling demos intros was a stupid idea from the start, too. :)
I spoke to a few contacts and asked them why they weren't submitting anything. The excuses were not understandable to me, until I saw the entries of the others and thought oh shit, I shouldn't have bothered one trusted voice said to me... Mike yours was good, but theirs are better sorry.
Quoting Mr. SIDIsn't Oct/Nov also in the school year, but with shittier weather? :)
It's called X as it's in October ? Now we need to rename to V ? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2870 |
Quoting Knight RiderI spoke to a few contacts and asked them why they weren't submitting anything. The excuses were not understandable to me, until I saw the entries of the others and thought oh shit, I shouldn't have bothered one trusted voice said to me... Mike yours was good, but theirs are better sorry. ICC is pretty much the only compo with actual 4K intros rather than demos.
And frankly, i'd hate to have a demo party screen logo+music+text things for an hour.
It's just too restrictive for an already restricted platform with already restricted-enough categories.
Quoting Knight RiderIt's called X as it's in October ? Now we need to rename to V ? With OCTober being the 10th month for some historical reason... Could just as well have called it "VIII" instead until recently. :) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
I wouldn't mind if one-file demo category returned. Rob Hubbard would approve (if I have read the comment that we are streaming demos from disc" right.) |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2870 |
Quoting CreaMDI wouldn't mind if one-file demo category returned. Putting onefilers in the demo compo proper is alright.
I'd have preferred them to be marked prominently as onefilers, though. And to have an extra top 3 rather than a single award for the top onefiler. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: Quoting CreaMDI wouldn't mind if one-file demo category returned. Putting onefilers in the demo compo proper is alright.
I'd have preferred them to be marked prominently as onefilers, though. And to have an extra top 3 rather than a single award for the top onefiler.
Or that. Simply compile the list of top 3 onefiles from the demo compo results. Good idea. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
I think nothing needs to change.
There will be more 4ks anyway with an annual format.
And I agree with Krill. One should not 'aim' to win a 2nd-class award. It's not like a product by pros wins automatically. And quite often pro = most amount of time invested. All fine for me here. And it was more clear this year than (maybe) ever before: super-pro doesn't mean first place. Or second. Or even third guaranteed!
About the date:
'Summer' edition was very cool this time weather wise!
Less crowded inside. More time/room for chats outside 24/7. More seeing someone at 10m distance and still reaching him/her within a finite amount of time.
But whatever format it ends up being, it's the people making the party and I have no doubts that it will rock hard (in a friendly, peaceful manner :) again!
PS: constructing sub-categories FROM main compos is cool, too. |
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