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Monte Carlos
Registered: Jun 2004
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Church of C64
What is this Church of C64 thing about?
It makes me suspicious, because they come up with
a very hirarchical organisation and seem to introduce
"Pay members" again.
Monte Carlos
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The Overkiller
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Registered: Mar 2002
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Quote: This Church of 64 thing got nothing to do with both: the c64 altar on mekka symposium and breakpoint (ask Galaktus for details about it) nor with the "demo"-group of the same name that i am a humble member of and which doesn't release anything at all (8
Personally i got no problems with people opening other churches to praise the name of our 8-BIT home computer, but if this is somesort of pay-membership-thing i can only say let those evil heretic organisation burn! They don't deserve the name of our lord! Burn them to purify their soul and praise the name of the one and truly computer!
Holy Inquisition .... NOW !!!!! :) |
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cbmhardware
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Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 19 |
I hear the two coconuts substituting horses ? ;)
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Puterman
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 188 |
Nafcom: He's not a coder, he just did some graphics. All he could code was BASIC. And I haven't heard of any tools from him. He's much more into make-money-quick schemes than the scene. |
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Monte Carlos
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 355 |
There is no good reason for taking fees.
They claim they will offer interesting information, documents and many other stuff to registered members, but
which stuff is NOT available for free in the internet, today? I don't think, that they have special stuff, not known to the rest of the scene.
AND we do not want to have a two classes of sceners, members of CHURCH 64 and "normal" sceners.
The scene has developed from a highly illegal cracker and swapper scene(Which are our roots and we shouldnt regret them) with concurrence thoughts, where some sceners betrayed others to the cops and so on. And is now the uncomparable more liberate demo scene. We are practising FREE software similar to what linux users do.
To be nostalgic is just one part of scene life. We are inventing new things and we should think more modern about what this scene is doing.
Some sceners like those, inventing CHURCH 64, or which write bad party reports with nothing else than c64 self praise did NOT get a clue about what scene should be like.
The image about telling the people, beeing not part of the scene, about the c64 testament is ridicoulous for me.
We can think about some things, for which the c64 can be of use today, of course. But we have to think how to justify it. This is a completely different approache of making the c64 more popular than telling the people some sermon.
We are not TV preachers!!!
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: Nafcom: He's not a coder, he just did some graphics. All he could code was BASIC. And I haven't heard of any tools from him. He's much more into make-money-quick schemes than the scene.
ok, confused it with Chico, sorry |
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ready.
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 441 |
I've just noticed from www.c64.sk portal a new church has opened: church of LDA STA. This one too asking money. It looks more like a provocative joke in reaction to church of C64. I think some people should separate these 3 things: c64, money making and religion. First of all c64 today is kept alive by the spirit of nostalgic sceners and their audiance. This community shares all c64 production for free, that's the spirit and that's the way we (people on this forum) want it to be, I guess. Secondly we should distinguish between religion and c64. I think the considering c64 a religion is going a bit too far. It might be just for a joke, but I think the stuff on the Church of C64 site, has some exagerations. This doesn't want to be a religious discussion, I just want to clearify that the c64 for itself doesn't save your soul...it might be used for this purpose,as it is one of God's gifts to us (a great gift too!!)as everything on earth, but it is not the main thing. |
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Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
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why do you think a religion around the c64 is "going a bit too far"? after all the c64 does exist and god does not... i prefer praising things that actually exist because talking to non-existant persons can bring you into mental hospital. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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afterall "jedi" is a registered religion in one of the countrys :) |
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Puterman
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 188 |
ready: "spirit of nostalgic sceners"? Please tell me you're joking. |
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Monte Carlos
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 355 |
The point is of how to bring the message of c64 to the masses. Should it be done by convincing people, that it makes sense, what we are doing, or should it be done by crying out the name c64 hysterically?
What we need is a critical and self critical dispute about the strength and the weaks of the c64 scene and NOT always that "We are the best" thing, which annoys me in the go64, in several party reports and how some sceners talk about users of other computer systems.
Of course it was fun to see a c64 altar on mekka.
And i like too some pc dizzing stuff, but things like the Jihad video go too far!!
I just have the impression, based on some observations discribed obove, that c64 fanatics founding a religion will not tolerate other ways of thinking about c64.
There is nothing bad about whatever religion itself, but how they always ended and were practised this is the point.
And Church 64 will be of that kind, i'm very sure.
Because, if Pater Pi would not be that fanatic he would be interested, that everybody who wants can get information of how to do things on c64 and not only the members.
This itself is not a democratic idea, violates the rules of free software and will not be understood, if c64 is in the press again.
That c64 is in the press sometimes is a nice thing, but we shouldn't take the reporters for nuts with some church thingy.
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