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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Downvoting
A while ago I came up with a (I think) reasonable system that voters would be split in 2 groups, anonymous & non-anonymous. The votes of the non-anonymous voters could be seen by everybody, those from the anonymous users not. The last group would then have a limitted range, let's say from 4 - 7 instead of 1-10.
I haven't heard anything about it since, but the reason I bring it up again is because it has come under my attention that 2 of my groupmembers have been seriously downvoted. And with serious I mean they (Sander & Jeroen Tel) both got a "1" twice.
I guess it can either be that some people who didn't have a clue how this board works voted so low by accident, or that they decided they didn't like the high rankings.
I guess it could also be that they really dislike the work of Sander & Jeroen but that I don't believe ;)
Either way I would like to know if the maintainers of this board already have thought up a solution for this problem. Because if you want to have a serious chart-system these things need to be taken care of.
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taper
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 119 |
Anonymous voting is totally wack. If you vote, you should have no problem standing up for your views. So, scrap the anonymous voting! |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1578 |
Taper, you're speaking from my heart. :) |
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Danko
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 19 |
The so-called downwoting is only a problem as long as there are very few entries posted in the voting-polls. Once enough people vote, those anomalities will even out since it's rather fractions deciding the ranking at the moment. It'll be useless in the future to submit the lowest vote possible, anyway.
But for now, it's an interesting way to see how you can manipulate a system. Something most hackers can't avoid pondering over...
Personally I would never doubt someone who downvoted me. I already know I'm a pathetic loser. :)
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Shokray
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 66 |
anyway, we all (should) know, who's ruling and who is not.. ;) ... |
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fade
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 290 |
exactly, dont vote.. millions of americans cant be wrong :) |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
I want transparent votes! Come on, remove the anonymity already. |
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Nightlord
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 131 |
i think there are two problems...
1- downvoting
2- few number of votes can make funny fractions
here is my brainstorming...
1- do not allow anonymous voting. (i did not even know it was possible :))
2- instead of splitting voters into two let's split the charts into two... for every category there could be a "best x" chart and a "best newcomer x" chart. any item that has less then n votes competes in the newcomer chart. this way gods and titans like crest oxyron etc can compete with their hundreds of votes while the newcomers can still get the attention they need in the beginning of their lifecycle... once a newcomer has n votes then it is taken off the newcomer chart and goes into best chart. n could be calculated from a little examination of the current database. let's say n can be the number of votes for a single item that k% of the database items got less than...
(as you see engineers give a lot of numbers but no solutions :)... well but you get the point
that n could be changed in time if necessary if the voting trends change... |
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Shake
Posts: 133 |
Transparant would be best to minimize the downvoting, but still people will give 10 to something that does not make any sense. what I find more interesting is the system poeut.net uses, thumbs up or thumbs down fast comments. |
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
I don't mind people downvoting, but I don't think it should be done anonymously. As far as I can remember, the poll ended long ago, with a majority of voters saying YES to transparent votes. So, please...can we have transparent votes soon?
Oh, and for the record, I think CSDB's voting system is much better than the one used at Pouet.net
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Shake
Posts: 133 |
What's the value of a system like this? One new release enters the charts once a year, same 15 demos changing position in the top 10. Creating a top 10 out of 10 releases, like with compos works perfectly, 7000+ items is a different story. Demos get overhyped, new demos don't get any votes. It will be worth looking at other alternatives to make it work and more interesting, now it doesn't and transparant won't change.
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