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2003-11-13 11:39
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3065
Handle id #3733 : Smalltown Boy

So some idiot with three fake accounts, or two idiots (one having have fake account), or even three separate idiots have given smalltown boy 1 point in the voting chart.

Why we tolerate such things. Users here were asking for this all the time. Even the poll was made for this. And what happened? User CAN permit that his votes aren't anonymous. Well if you guys at CSDB cleaned the mess after fake voters without disclosing their identity I wouldn't mind if the voters stayed anonymous, but you don't do that.

This whole system is so unhealthy that it doesn't have any reason to exist. None of your partial solutions helped the get rid of this problem. So either make visible voting or disable votes of invisible voters completely so they wont be affecting charts. That will save those idiots of any reactions from people who care and it will separate votes of grownup civilised people from votes of primitives.

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2003-11-14 13:02
Merman

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 140
The transparent voting wouldn't have prevented the "fakes" downvoting SB in this case... they can just choose to have invisible votes!
The real point is this - this negative opinion of SB is not based on any merit. I like his music a lot, but if he turned round tomorrow and insulted me for no reason, I wouldn't come on here and downvote him out of spite. I don't see the point.

Maybe a system of scoring like diving would help? Drop the highest and lowest marks automatically. Only count someone's votes when they have voted for a minimum number of entries AND their average vote is above a certain level.

Of course, the determined negative voters will find a way around any system!
2003-11-14 13:12
Stryyker

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 469
Isn't that something like what Perff changed to?
2003-11-14 14:23
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3065
There is not working automatical solution against fake voting, downvoting and intentional negative or positive manipulation of the charts. Only way how to prevent people acting against the good manners is to cut their influence (no voting for anonymous registered people). I really don't need to know who is the guy behind them, but I definitely don't want to know his "opinion". Another solution could be to disable the anonymous votes influence on chart by default and only allow the possibility to enable them for people who wish to have their charts trashed. Which I don't think anyone else that those f...rs (fakers ;-) will do ;-)
2003-11-14 16:12
Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510
Good suggestions overall by CreaMD, I'm all for either making all votes public or disable anonymous voting completely.

Gotta rush, have to upvote SB immediately... ;-)
2003-11-14 20:53
Cybernator

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 154
Quote: caring so much about votes is unhealthy too, imho

Hollowman: It's not the votes what matters. Let me take 'Second Reality' by Smash Designs as an example. You realize how much effort it takes to make such thing. Not just the coding, but also the effort to learn all the stuff. And some LAMER voted 1 for it! It's not the number. It's the act. Moreover, I bet that whoever it was, he doesn't have the skills to make that demo.

Puterman: Now who's harsh, CreaMD or the lamer who voted 1 ???
And btw, I really don't get your voting criterion. You have voted 2 on Xmas 2002, and 3 on Second Reality. There's an enormous difference between the demos, and you have given almost equal votes.
2003-11-14 21:49
Puterman
Account closed

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 188
Cybernator: The "harsh" remark is related to certain postings by CreaMD in other forums.

My voting criterion is simple: stuff I like get higher grades than stuff I don't like. The effort spent by the creator(s) of a production is pretty much irrelevant. I wouldn't give Metallica's crappy black album a high score just because Lars Ulrich spent six months tweaking the drum sound. Would you?
2003-11-14 23:43
Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588
Quote: Cybernator: The "harsh" remark is related to certain postings by CreaMD in other forums.

My voting criterion is simple: stuff I like get higher grades than stuff I don't like. The effort spent by the creator(s) of a production is pretty much irrelevant. I wouldn't give Metallica's crappy black album a high score just because Lars Ulrich spent six months tweaking the drum sound. Would you?


For the first time, I have to admit that I see a sense in what Puterman says :)
Anyway, I wouldn't call "3" a good vote in comparation with "2"...

So, I do agree with him partly.

2003-11-15 06:56
CreaMD

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3065
Quote: Cybernator: The "harsh" remark is related to certain postings by CreaMD in other forums.

My voting criterion is simple: stuff I like get higher grades than stuff I don't like. The effort spent by the creator(s) of a production is pretty much irrelevant. I wouldn't give Metallica's crappy black album a high score just because Lars Ulrich spent six months tweaking the drum sound. Would you?


Of course not!.

Difference is that you are here to explain and even argue, or be explained, accused, shouted at, when necessary. You took the responsibility for your thoughts. I'm okay if Puterman gives me 1 for bad sidcompo organising ;-), but I hate to see someone gives someone else whom I respect 3 x 1 point and all responsibility the dude has is to live in his silent world of overmotivated ignorancy.
2003-11-15 11:15
Stryyker

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 469
Isn't the point of voting to give what you think a production/person/whatever deserves? If anyone really thinks Dutch Breeze deserves a 1 then that is fine. If someone dislikes someone involved with Dutch Breeze and gives the demo a 1 then I don't think that is ok.

Something that seemed to have sparked this is Ed's music. Some people think utter crap and vote 1. That is ok. Someone thinks it is brilliant and gives is 10 then that is fine. But someone should not vote his music because of him.

As long as people vote for the chart it is for then it's ok. Just don't be clouded in judgement.
2003-11-15 11:29
Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588
Quote: Isn't the point of voting to give what you think a production/person/whatever deserves? If anyone really thinks Dutch Breeze deserves a 1 then that is fine. If someone dislikes someone involved with Dutch Breeze and gives the demo a 1 then I don't think that is ok.

Something that seemed to have sparked this is Ed's music. Some people think utter crap and vote 1. That is ok. Someone thinks it is brilliant and gives is 10 then that is fine. But someone should not vote his music because of him.

As long as people vote for the chart it is for then it's ok. Just don't be clouded in judgement.


Totally fitting to my opinion!...
So, for, I am out of this discussion for the moment... all things said :)
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