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2002-04-10 22:38
Eyeth
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Milestone Demo?

Hello, CSDb denizens:

I'm writing what I hope to be a series of articles covering the demo scene for a U.S. Commodore oriented newsletter covering the 8-bit scene.

I'm planning on writing an article on what would be considered a 'milestone' demo. A demo that was so technically brilliant and elegant and revitalized the demo industry.

My current nomination is 'Dutch Breeze' by Blackmail. Before this demo, the demo scene consisted of scrollytexts, some math, some DYCP's, sprite trickery in the borders, VSP's and FLD's.

After this demo burst on the scene, it paved the way for truly innovative demos like Krestology, where rich and colorful graphics now grace the screens.

Your thoughts?
-Todd Elliott
 
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2002-04-16 13:02
zyruz
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i miss demos from Bones here... The Larch (esp. no.3) was impressive.
2002-04-16 13:46
TDJ

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Zyruz: allow me to copy that statement into the CSDB entry for SoF ;) And allow me to reset my previous 'TP4' statement to 'TP3' (which also fits better with the image in my head, as I remember showing it to someone on that party)

As for The Larch 3: good demo, but why is it a milestone?
2002-04-16 14:04
zyruz
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TDJ, ofcourse.. ;)

about the Larch, well i think it has got everthing a decent demo needs.. good coding, good grafix and good music.. well okay, it can't compete with demos such as "Dutch Breeze" ..but for _me_ it is a milestone anyway.. *) ..
2002-04-16 14:38
chatGPZ

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other than those already mentioned....

ESCOS by 1001Crew (first full open borders)
Think Twice by The Judges (first FLD)
Sign'o'times by Weird Science (by NOP aka Cycleburner, i think one of the first that had samples plus a decent effect - dycp here)
Microsleep and Bound2BeBestII by XAKK (incredible sideborder and samples stuff for its time, most underrated demogroup ever ;=P)

2002-04-16 20:04
anonym

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Bones... Definatetly worth mentioning.

/Frank
2002-04-16 20:07
T.M.R
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Quote: other than those already mentioned....

ESCOS by 1001Crew (first full open borders)
Think Twice by The Judges (first FLD)
Sign'o'times by Weird Science (by NOP aka Cycleburner, i think one of the first that had samples plus a decent effect - dycp here)
Microsleep and Bound2BeBestII by XAKK (incredible sideborder and samples stuff for its time, most underrated demogroup ever ;=P)



"Think Twice 3" was the first partial spluit

Xakk did some amazing stuff, i didn't see a lot of it until recently but "BTBB 2" is *brutal* stuff. i remember "Microsleep" well for the fullscreen part with the samples from "Barbarian" and the sideborder scrolls...

Speaking of which, "Contest Demo" by Finnish Gold was a bit of a milestone for that brutal corkscrew scroller (maybe not original but the best of it's kind in my book). Also, there was that cool fullscreen starfield in "Vertigo"'s intro.

Another milestone i've just remembered, "VSP&*IK+" by the Meanteam - the first VSP.
2002-04-17 08:18
zyruz
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talking about worlds-first as milestones.. what about "Kalle Kloakk" ? ..

first Mandelbrot
first FLI-Plasma
first Vertical Rasterbars

and perhaps the first real smooth and fast Vector on the c64 (?).. ;)
2002-04-17 14:33
Black Belt Jones
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dont hate me for this one peepl, im gonna pitch in with a demo called Breakthrough2 by Panic creations. Sure it was no killer, but i though the soundtrack was awesome. nice mood. it was a demo that sucked me into getting more demos. that
soiled legacy i also enjoyed,
not because of any revolutionary code but just the presentation, the atmosphere changes combined with the music. so when the end credits roll with a suitable track along with it, you get a nice feeling of completion.
sometimes i feel that the general mood and feeling of a demo does a LOT. Like when you finish watching an awesome movie. thats how you gotta feel.
2002-04-17 15:10
TDJ

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And once again we're back to personal favorites instead of milestones .. Take a look at the list by Groepaz, that one contains demo's that changed the scene .. Soiled Legacy did no such thing (yet).

Firsttime FLD: yes
More effects already done before: no

www.dictionary.com will tell you what a milestone is if you don't understand :)
2002-04-17 20:40
Rough
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I remember when Gnu/The Ancient Temple (a local computer friend 10 years ago) and me received BTTB 2 we were so excited of the marvellous music, we had to tap it on cassette at once, and let one go by it. :)

Nice to see there others who a fans of Xakk, it's not only Xakk who are very underrated but also Knatter as musician.

Milestone (and I mean milestone): Road of Excess of Triangle for its xcellent use of hires gfx.



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