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2012-11-01 09:30
wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 509
Release id #102337 : Bleeding Ink

Fuck.
What's wrong with this one!?
The download link is there.
The explanation for deletion says "video != c64 release", yet other wild entries from that party (linked as wmv) remain intact!!! See here, wild compo -> Silesia Party 5
This is fucking bullshit.
2012-11-01 10:14
sebalozlepsi

Registered: Mar 2010
Posts: 22
who cares?
2012-11-01 10:20
wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 509
I do, fuck you.
If you don't care, then shut the fuck up.
2012-11-01 10:24
sebalozlepsi

Registered: Mar 2010
Posts: 22
whats wrong with you polish guys? calm down.
2012-11-01 12:55
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293
"The explanation for deletion says "video != c64 release", yet other wild entries from that party (linked as wmv) remain intact!!!"
i know you dont agree with the rules already, but maybe you should still read them once. we don not actively search for this kind of release (that do not belong here), but we will remove them if we stumble about them or someone points us to them.

so you are infact correct - removing only one of these is bullshit. fixed now.
2012-11-01 13:25
wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 509
Groepaz,
If anything else, Artphosis is an ultimate proof that you indeed have imagination, feelings and soul.
Apply those principles to the database, I am convinced no one does really appreciate this mechanistic approach anymore.
Everything needs to evolve, when did the last revision of the database rules occur? Is the scene still in the same place?
Being so restrictive, is the database gaining or losing? Is the scene gaining or losing?

Ask yourself - how many Hitmen releases under Hitmen entry should no longer be there in line with the rules? No download links for 5-6 years already, yet nobody is dickish enough to delete them. This database is about people, not robots. Rules are meant to serve, not to discourage and demotivate.
2012-11-01 13:46
bugjam

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2556
wackee: very well put. A bit of flexibility would be really appreciated; for the sake of our common goal to preserve scene history, if nothing else.
2012-11-01 21:28
Mace

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 1799
This one is on the edge, on the wrong side of it, IMHO.

Disc covers are allowed, in the form of JPG or PDF.
Another file format would be a video...

That said, I think that a video made of paper art is not really a Commodore 64 release. It's not made on a C64 and the paper art itself can not directly be reproduced from that video.
Same as MP3 is not allowed for music.

This is just stretching it a little bit too far... yet, as I said, IMHO :-)
2012-11-02 09:37
wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 509
Actually, youtube (=video) links are allowed in demo entries. Should they be banned?

MP3 links are allowed in music entries, especially 2SID. Should they be banned?

We have a "WiLD Demo" category in the database, yet many wild demos have no other form of existence than video. Video demos are part of the demoscene - check Amiga. Should the category be removed?

IS DEMOSCENE ABOUT CREATIVITY, ART, BREAKING BARRIERS OR THE OPPOSITE?
2012-11-02 10:07
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293
you really should *read* the rules before complaining. we deliberately do not have support for youtube for example. nor is there a "wild demo" category.

and whatever you think demoscene is about, csdb isnt the scene, and the scene is not csdb. ask jazzcat if in doubt =P
2012-11-02 10:16
wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 509
Groepaz,
If you need to get to semantics to make your point... :)

1). I never said you support YT. But you allow YT links in releases. Why then does it say "The link you add must point directly to the binary." in teh edit screen? YT video is not a C64 binary. Care to explain this obvious exception to the unbreakable rules?

2). There is a "WiLD Demo Compo" category in events. Do you created it especially, so it stays empty because the wild demos themselves are not allowed to be put there? That makes a lot of sense, really.

3). I am still waiting for the explanation on the party videos.
 
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