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ready.
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 441 |
uncrackable / protected game disks
Hi,
I was wondering if there is any way to protect a disk from being copied / cracked that has not yet been broken. I remember GEOS v2.0 was very hard to crack back in the '80s but somebody managed to do it. |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 346 |
Yeah ... nice to know about Gunship(disk) ... i see the exciting C64 Cracking Competition 2016 in near future! :) |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 519 |
CSdb lists ~15 cracks of gunship. are all those from tape?
just in case u need it: I have gunship original somewhere... I remember (memories from 1987 or so...) that with fast hack'em and its own rapidlok template the copy was doable. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1922 |
Funky sidenote: Mr. President created the protection for Soul Crystal. The first two "masters" he supplied to the copy company could not be copied on the commercial systems they had. In the end he implemented a somewhat cheaper protection they were able to copy... along with the basic boss compilation for a password protection near the end it was close to being not properly cracked.
(Also given the nature of the game - german text/gfx adventure with near 170kb of unpacked text.)
AFAIR there are two version which have to be copied with the sector ID intact to work. Only checked the SPIRIT version though and cannot find back the 3-step-shortcut-to-the-end-cheat for easy checking :(
Anyone on that? |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2218 |
Know minimum 2 people who (without knowing of the other) started yet never finished cracking Gunship in the last decade :) |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1922 |
IRC-wise we just figured that the game "LOGO" by "Starbyte" which was handed out at a G*P copy party around 1991 or 1992 in a special version was never really "cracked". Note: that "special" version of the game only differed by its protection. The game itself was nothing new. Currently we think it was timex v3 or a somewhat extended version.
Anybody remember more details or even got some image of that special version? |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2218 |
Count Zero: You must be kidding. I've got an original LOGO/Starbyte including ori package and manual here, right in front of me, which I planned to get rid of by giving it to $someone_who_cares at BCC, unfortunately it's the PC 5,25" version :/
Anyway, if you wanna have it, it's yours, can either pass it to you at X party or send it (just PM me some address/PLK hehe). Maybe you can at least do sth with the manual (which seems to be for various systems) |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2924 |
Memories of non-working versions of LOGO from all groups years ago. That discussion comes up every few years and nobody ever seems to release a proper crack.
Also, would love to see a proper version of Soul Crystal but I know that is just a fantasy. |
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Mason
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 461 |
Quote: IRC-wise we just figured that the game "LOGO" by "Starbyte" which was handed out at a G*P copy party around 1991 or 1992 in a special version was never really "cracked". Note: that "special" version of the game only differed by its protection. The game itself was nothing new. Currently we think it was timex v3 or a somewhat extended version.
Anybody remember more details or even got some image of that special version?
My guess would be that it was the extended Timex V3 where Snacky closed the easy-to-crack holes. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11354 |
moloch: Logo +2 doesnt work? somehow hard to believe :) not that i am willing to even check it, the games sucks donkey dicks in the first place =)
that said, at last X2012 some aquired a disk labelled "STARBYTE LOGO TESTMUSTER", which contains a non protected version of it, from my take-what-you-want diskbox..... (image exists, if anyone gives a damn. which i doubt =p) |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1922 |
Ryk: You read my post, did you? "special version" etc. ? :)
Mason is right here - according to Benson who visited the party and told me of the compo (long time ago) the disks were of course no "original LOGO disks" but special "masters" for that party and "compo".
The aim was to extract some kind of "key" - as in "encryption key" (?) from the drive ram AFAIR.
However - first challenge would be to find this version of the game again. :) |
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