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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Release id #248202 : AIrrested
I'll help the moderators: Drama posts go here: |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
@Bitbreaker:
At first, I had this idea that if people communicate, this will get settled. I wasn't aware that this non-material economic, this fame capital balance you pointed out was so important to some people that they will succumb to cheating their own friends. I thought, we don't have to "forbid" anything because the artists themselves will sport this "chivalry", this solidarity. After all, it's in their best interest in the long run. But I guess, with the advancement of AI, the allure grew to a point where everyone suddenly felt he/she can/should portray him/herself as an artist.
So with that naivety out of the window, I can fully endorse your words.
However, if and when this situation wears out the old gfx masters, if and when compos find themselves bare of great gfx artwork and AI prevails, it will be to late to act. Just a thing to bear in mind. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 680 |
So the "Hiking Home For Christmas" thread was closed due to everything going off-topic .. and now the conversation continues here.
I'm not seeing things moving forward and I'm not even sure what the argument is any more ..
Pal's comments align with what I said early on: while workstages are nice, and indeed needed for many compos, you can't really enforce them. And while we can suspect AI in some cases, or wiring, etc.. there's rarely hard proof.
So while recommendations for what we'd like people to do, in an ideal world, can be made... we also have to accept that not everyone likes to work that way. And I fully understand Pal on that. As a coder, I don't want to show people the often chaotic way that I make something..! |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 275 |
" As a coder, I don't want to show people the often chaotic way that I make something..!"
hehe. i for myself can also confirm this. dont want to see groepaz puking again because of my code :D |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2243 |
The only new aspects mentioned here were
Quoting '4gentE'destroy the livelihoods of people doing creative work
or in other words
Quoting 'Hate Bush'
people losing jobs is altogether a separate problem.
This might be the true explanation why certain people keep being so obsessed with the topic, a few of them might do gfx/design for a living and thus, have a very critical attitude towards AI as they fear being replaced.
If that's true or not, well, who can tell...
At the bottom of every innovation there's "Video killed the radio star" whining...
Quoting RaistlinSo the "Hiking Home For Christmas" thread was closed due to everything going off-topic .. and now the conversation continues here.
I'm not seeing things moving forward and I'm not even sure what the argument is any more ..
Me neither.
Everyone tried to make their points on the still hot topic of AI and C=64 gfx.
How about giving mods some rest and continuing AI debating in 2025? |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Demomaker. |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 275 |
" At the bottom of every innovation there's "Video killed the radio star" whining..."
computer killed the typewriter industry :( |
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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 146 |
I BET PEOPLE IN 2025 WON'T EVEN WRITE THEIR OWN LOADERS AND CRUNCHERS ANYMORE!! AND THEY WILL USE PHOTOSHOPS AND WACOMS FOR PIXELLING |
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CopAss
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 21 |
Quoting mankeliI BET PEOPLE IN 2025 WON'T EVEN WRITE THEIR OWN LOADERS AND CRUNCHERS ANYMORE!! AND THEY WILL USE PHOTOSHOPS AND WACOMS FOR PIXELLING
which is usually written in the credits, what they use...
the problem is with those who deny everything, citing their "talent". |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 275 |
Quote: Quoting mankeliI BET PEOPLE IN 2025 WON'T EVEN WRITE THEIR OWN LOADERS AND CRUNCHERS ANYMORE!! AND THEY WILL USE PHOTOSHOPS AND WACOMS FOR PIXELLING
which is usually written in the credits, what they use...
the problem is with those who deny everything, citing their "talent".
never gave credits to the guy who made the crunchers :( |
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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 146 |
Yeah, loader author seems to be often credited. At one prod I tried to credit also music routine author, and the petscii editor author. But should I then credit the cruncher author, the assembler author (well that's easy because it's me :), or the text editor author? (some people even write those themselves - I have not yet) - VICE has been also pretty instrumental in making demo productions.
I'm of course exaggerating. I guess most of the authors just accept that they make the tools and people just accept that the tools are used and not credited. IDK. IDK also why I even try to quantize this. Somehow all this just reminds me of the "Zen and the art of Motorcycle Maintenance" which is a book of >400 words about the philosophy of "Quality".
Maybe in the end people just feel it's unfair that people are having different ways of working. Should I write my own Depth of Field shader, or do I accept that someone just uses the one written by Tim Sweeney? |
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