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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3075 |
Handle id #3733 : Smalltown Boy
So some idiot with three fake accounts, or two idiots (one having have fake account), or even three separate idiots have given smalltown boy 1 point in the voting chart.
Why we tolerate such things. Users here were asking for this all the time. Even the poll was made for this. And what happened? User CAN permit that his votes aren't anonymous. Well if you guys at CSDB cleaned the mess after fake voters without disclosing their identity I wouldn't mind if the voters stayed anonymous, but you don't do that.
This whole system is so unhealthy that it doesn't have any reason to exist. None of your partial solutions helped the get rid of this problem. So either make visible voting or disable votes of invisible voters completely so they wont be affecting charts. That will save those idiots of any reactions from people who care and it will separate votes of grownup civilised people from votes of primitives.
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Good suggestions overall by CreaMD, I'm all for either making all votes public or disable anonymous voting completely.
Gotta rush, have to upvote SB immediately... ;-) |
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Cybernator
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 154 |
Quote: caring so much about votes is unhealthy too, imho
Hollowman: It's not the votes what matters. Let me take 'Second Reality' by Smash Designs as an example. You realize how much effort it takes to make such thing. Not just the coding, but also the effort to learn all the stuff. And some LAMER voted 1 for it! It's not the number. It's the act. Moreover, I bet that whoever it was, he doesn't have the skills to make that demo.
Puterman: Now who's harsh, CreaMD or the lamer who voted 1 ???
And btw, I really don't get your voting criterion. You have voted 2 on Xmas 2002, and 3 on Second Reality. There's an enormous difference between the demos, and you have given almost equal votes. |
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Puterman
Account closed
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 188 |
Cybernator: The "harsh" remark is related to certain postings by CreaMD in other forums.
My voting criterion is simple: stuff I like get higher grades than stuff I don't like. The effort spent by the creator(s) of a production is pretty much irrelevant. I wouldn't give Metallica's crappy black album a high score just because Lars Ulrich spent six months tweaking the drum sound. Would you? |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: Cybernator: The "harsh" remark is related to certain postings by CreaMD in other forums.
My voting criterion is simple: stuff I like get higher grades than stuff I don't like. The effort spent by the creator(s) of a production is pretty much irrelevant. I wouldn't give Metallica's crappy black album a high score just because Lars Ulrich spent six months tweaking the drum sound. Would you?
For the first time, I have to admit that I see a sense in what Puterman says :)
Anyway, I wouldn't call "3" a good vote in comparation with "2"...
So, I do agree with him partly.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3075 |
Quote: Cybernator: The "harsh" remark is related to certain postings by CreaMD in other forums.
My voting criterion is simple: stuff I like get higher grades than stuff I don't like. The effort spent by the creator(s) of a production is pretty much irrelevant. I wouldn't give Metallica's crappy black album a high score just because Lars Ulrich spent six months tweaking the drum sound. Would you?
Of course not!.
Difference is that you are here to explain and even argue, or be explained, accused, shouted at, when necessary. You took the responsibility for your thoughts. I'm okay if Puterman gives me 1 for bad sidcompo organising ;-), but I hate to see someone gives someone else whom I respect 3 x 1 point and all responsibility the dude has is to live in his silent world of overmotivated ignorancy. |
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 469 |
Isn't the point of voting to give what you think a production/person/whatever deserves? If anyone really thinks Dutch Breeze deserves a 1 then that is fine. If someone dislikes someone involved with Dutch Breeze and gives the demo a 1 then I don't think that is ok.
Something that seemed to have sparked this is Ed's music. Some people think utter crap and vote 1. That is ok. Someone thinks it is brilliant and gives is 10 then that is fine. But someone should not vote his music because of him.
As long as people vote for the chart it is for then it's ok. Just don't be clouded in judgement. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588 |
Quote: Isn't the point of voting to give what you think a production/person/whatever deserves? If anyone really thinks Dutch Breeze deserves a 1 then that is fine. If someone dislikes someone involved with Dutch Breeze and gives the demo a 1 then I don't think that is ok.
Something that seemed to have sparked this is Ed's music. Some people think utter crap and vote 1. That is ok. Someone thinks it is brilliant and gives is 10 then that is fine. But someone should not vote his music because of him.
As long as people vote for the chart it is for then it's ok. Just don't be clouded in judgement.
Totally fitting to my opinion!...
So, for, I am out of this discussion for the moment... all things said :) |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 475 |
Quote: Hollowman: It's not the votes what matters. Let me take 'Second Reality' by Smash Designs as an example. You realize how much effort it takes to make such thing. Not just the coding, but also the effort to learn all the stuff. And some LAMER voted 1 for it! It's not the number. It's the act. Moreover, I bet that whoever it was, he doesn't have the skills to make that demo.
Puterman: Now who's harsh, CreaMD or the lamer who voted 1 ???
And btw, I really don't get your voting criterion. You have voted 2 on Xmas 2002, and 3 on Second Reality. There's an enormous difference between the demos, and you have given almost equal votes.
so you're only allowed to give a production a low grade
if you can do better yourself? i thought the point of
voting was that you could give your opinion about
a production.
perhaps it would be better if you and creamd sat down with every demo, composer etc. and decided what points are allowed to give it/him/her. then you could lock smalltown boys profile so noone(except someone who can do better music) can vote 1 2 or any other grades you consider unfair for him(havent seen anyone trying to attack the anonymous cowards who voted 9 and 10 for him, guess those grades were allowed..)
it has been a few years since i saw second reality/sd,
but as i remember it kb made good covers of the music.
but being a conversion of another demo it showed a total lack of imagination, but a lot of arrogance with the '(c)smash designs' and the 'this demo won the demo competition at the party' text. also it was partly quite ugly.
i can see a number of reasons why someone wouldnt like
that demo, but since you dont leave an explanation along
with your vote it you'll never know, but a few people here
seem to have a special sense for finding out the motives
behind votes..
i havent seen any guidelines about voting, for example that your vote is supposed to take consideration to the amount of work the production required. i simply thought that
10 means that i really like it and a 1 that i really didnt.
i havent voted much here before and now that seeing this
discussion i doubt that my voting will increase. i know
if i like a demo or not, but estimating how much that
is worth compared to time invested, my skill vs. the
makers skills, how sensitive the makers are, how much creamd
like it etc. is just too much work
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3075 |
Quote: so you're only allowed to give a production a low grade
if you can do better yourself? i thought the point of
voting was that you could give your opinion about
a production.
perhaps it would be better if you and creamd sat down with every demo, composer etc. and decided what points are allowed to give it/him/her. then you could lock smalltown boys profile so noone(except someone who can do better music) can vote 1 2 or any other grades you consider unfair for him(havent seen anyone trying to attack the anonymous cowards who voted 9 and 10 for him, guess those grades were allowed..)
it has been a few years since i saw second reality/sd,
but as i remember it kb made good covers of the music.
but being a conversion of another demo it showed a total lack of imagination, but a lot of arrogance with the '(c)smash designs' and the 'this demo won the demo competition at the party' text. also it was partly quite ugly.
i can see a number of reasons why someone wouldnt like
that demo, but since you dont leave an explanation along
with your vote it you'll never know, but a few people here
seem to have a special sense for finding out the motives
behind votes..
i havent seen any guidelines about voting, for example that your vote is supposed to take consideration to the amount of work the production required. i simply thought that
10 means that i really like it and a 1 that i really didnt.
i havent voted much here before and now that seeing this
discussion i doubt that my voting will increase. i know
if i like a demo or not, but estimating how much that
is worth compared to time invested, my skill vs. the
makers skills, how sensitive the makers are, how much creamd
like it etc. is just too much work
First of all keep me of your daemagogic advocatus diaboli speech especially when you put ideas into my mouth which I haven't expressed.
I said it as clearly as possible and you obviously don't read what I say. So once more I reiterate my views.
I don't want to see anonymous voters votes affecting the charts. I don't mind if anyone gives any production 1 point, but that anyone must be signed. I'm pretty upset to see 3 anonymous idiots (or 2 anonymous idiots and one having fake account) or one anonymous idiot having 3 fake account showing us all how powerless we are in our tolerance. Or better said how vain is to protect anonymous voter's privacy. Say what you want Hollowman but don't tell me that you accept this way of organisation of the CSDB charts! |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 469 |
Hollowman, I really don't mind if someone gives me 1 or 10, but I'd like to see if it's an existing scener (with whom I am able to discuss why he/she likes my music or why he/she doesn't), or not. I don't appreciate anonymous votes at all. Therefore I agree on making all votes public.
How to say whether someone judges a scener by the quality of his/her works, or by personal feelings towards him/her, is another problem, and much more difficult to solve. |
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