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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Downvoting
A while ago I came up with a (I think) reasonable system that voters would be split in 2 groups, anonymous & non-anonymous. The votes of the non-anonymous voters could be seen by everybody, those from the anonymous users not. The last group would then have a limitted range, let's say from 4 - 7 instead of 1-10.
I haven't heard anything about it since, but the reason I bring it up again is because it has come under my attention that 2 of my groupmembers have been seriously downvoted. And with serious I mean they (Sander & Jeroen Tel) both got a "1" twice.
I guess it can either be that some people who didn't have a clue how this board works voted so low by accident, or that they decided they didn't like the high rankings.
I guess it could also be that they really dislike the work of Sander & Jeroen but that I don't believe ;)
Either way I would like to know if the maintainers of this board already have thought up a solution for this problem. Because if you want to have a serious chart-system these things need to be taken care of.
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Shake
Posts: 133 |
What's the value of a system like this? One new release enters the charts once a year, same 15 demos changing position in the top 10. Creating a top 10 out of 10 releases, like with compos works perfectly, 7000+ items is a different story. Demos get overhyped, new demos don't get any votes. It will be worth looking at other alternatives to make it work and more interesting, now it doesn't and transparant won't change.
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Mermaid
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 338 |
Shake, the big problem with CSDB's voting system (besides the anonymity which I'm hoping they will get rid off) is that not enough people actually vote...and that isn't going to change just by copying Pouet.net's concept now, is it?
Transparent votes, please. |
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JCB
Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 241 |
Maybe there could be a top 10 of all time and a top 10 per month like remix.kewed.org has. That way at least people releasing new stuff get to see their work is appreciated and get to track how voting is going. |
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Shake
Posts: 133 |
If it's going to change, don't know, quess we should test the result of that ;) Perhaps the barriar to give an opinion is a bit smaller and improves a little bit more feedback on new releases we're currently missing with the usercomments and votes.
But you're right about the transparant votes, it's better for the system (looking forward to watch those revealed 'one point' voter names ;)
any thought's/plans from the DB maintainers? |
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Shake
Posts: 133 |
there's one of their plans alreay. The CSDB entry discussion |
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The Overkiller
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 342 |
Yes, 100% transparent voting is better !!!
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Graham
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
downvoting (and upvoting) could be nearly completely eliminated by taking a lot of median values and building the rating based on these values only. for example, you could take 90% of the votes chosen by median criteria...
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3054 |
I've found that it's possible to delete your vote! I didn't want to have my vote in Webmasters I gave myself "1" back then to get me down under Cupid and Kilroy but it didn't help much, seems like people think I'm a good webmaster ;-). Thank you very much everybody and especially for the ongoing support of c64.sk.
However, there are more of them around who should deserve more attention like Perff (he didn't check webmaster as his proffesion though), Slaygon (c64.org), Kim Lemon (lemon64.com) - seems like he doesn't consider himself a scener but his site has a great impact on retro-minded people, or Wideload (wire.c64.org) Wire is celebrating 1 year of inactivity lately, but it's to be relaunched soon. Also Anonym is great webmaster maintaining Padua FTP, Bannerexchange, COCOS (www.c64.cc).
And hey! Transparent votes is a great idea really. Especially now when those who are afraid of being discovered as shameless downvoters can delete their votes ;-)))). |
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 476 |
well, compared to pouet, the people here seem to be more lazy when it comes to voting. there's so much people left with open votes. |
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 130 |
On the other hand... pouet is a multiplatform site.. this is only a c64 site... and there is still ppl who have not discovered this site yet...
I agree thata there are many sceners/groups/prods with open votes ... for example for me its a mystery why xenon is not on the chart :) ... but on the other hand.. there are many categories here.... demo/music/picture/4k/game/tool etc /coder/graphician/musician...
My advice is to drop best fullscreen graphician and logo graphician and ONLY have best graphician.. as it is now its only 2 sceners in best fullscreen graphician.... if you look it it you see AEG on that chart... if he is a good fullscreen graphician he should also be a good graphician :)
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sorry for spelling misstakes but its 7:36
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