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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1922 |
Change of rules - What kind of Events belong into the Database
<Post edited by Count Zero on 6/4-2016 19:12>
Quite a while ago the mod team started a general discusion on updating the CSDb rules regarding several aspects. To start off "slowly" we started by finding an agreement on changes towards "Meetings" (Parties!). The result can be found at https://csdb.dk/help.php?section=rules under Section V Paragraph 10.
Under 1. we added "C64" to point out that there is a strong desire towards this special 8bit machine. Point 2. was reworded slightly to be more precise.
Both points combined lead to surely debatable combinations and entries but basically it _IMHO_ boils down to:
- defining "historical" regarding C64 scene content and events
- the value of releases
For the "historical" part we have choosen to start off at 1st of January 2000 (to show how liberal we actually are) ending on the 1st of January 2016. You guess right. We found tons of entries without releases and pages requiring a definite update. Overall a quick glance was taken at about 500 of the nearly 2500 "meetings" revealing a horrible picture:
- about 15-20% of the entries simply don't deserve the entry here unless a release gets added (meeting in a pub to spend money on beer is _NOT_ making scene history!)
- MANY of the added links don't work anymore and it is beyond our understanding why http://sil.ly.ip.addy/party.html suddenly doesn't work anymore...
- entries with no linked releases AND only 2-3 sceners attending. This excessive info won't turn the meeting entry into an entry of historic relevance at all - not now and not in the far future really. Entries with no linked releases and MANY sceners attending? Where is at least some party report? YOU SCENERS maintain the database and your entries! It is not up to anyone else to report on how the meeting turned out!
So, the following 61 events were deleted. You can currently not access them. We will restore them on request: meaning "you found the missing release" to be added to that particular entry is one of few reasons to do so. Yes, this MEANS you can finally dig out the disk you saved the scrolltext on at $party, link it to the intro screen and release something!
The list below also means pure drama!
Type: Internal Meeting
Held between: 1 January 2000 and 1 January 2016
Wrath Designs Minibreak 2004
Villa Bellocchio
TRIAD Epiphany 2012
Tcp01
Cosa Nostra Meeting #1 - 2008
X'2006 Afterparty
Focus meeting #5
Focus Meeting #6
fuzikix meeting #1
Klr01
10 Print "Hello World!"
Arise Demomeeting 3.0
Arsenic + Friends Meeting / Hamburg 2014
The Barn 5
TKH
Stonehead Secret EHEC-Meeting
Swiss Pirates Reunion 2002
Swiss Pirates Reunion 2010
TGH 6
Sthd friday night v1109
Silicon Ltd. Meeting #1
Schlimeisch 2003
ROTY Awards 2009
Schlimeisch 2002
Project Amundsen 2008
Project Amundsen 2005
Out of Güll 2010
Makrel & Data 2014
Kraze Meeting 12/2007
Koling Birthday Party 2006
Danish Gold New Years Party 2001/2002
Danish Gold Internal Party Feb 2002
Cascade Meeting 2008
Camelot (K)olding Meeting 2011
Arsenic Elite Mactron Investigation Conference Analyzation
Plushmeeting Zeitlarn 2015
...to be continued (too many links)... |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Quoting FranticCJust look at what happened with Gpz when he stopped being a mod :D
Buhah ;-) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
if only you know WHY. maybe at some point i will disclose
and no-small meetings without releases contribute nothing to "c64 history". fuck off |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: if only you know WHY. maybe at some point i will disclose
and no-small meetings without releases contribute nothing to "c64 history". fuck off
I strongly disagree.
It was those meetings that made me a scener way back in the days. The friendship, the camaraderie, trying to outdo each other with new routines .. if it wasn't for these meetings a lot of us would never have been part of the scene at all.
That being said I don't care if you remove these events here (2 of them were Focus meetings). I've given up on trying to understand the logic behind CSDb a long time ago ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
the problem is that you have to draw a line somewhere, and defining where that line is - which is not easy to do. and tying it to actual c64 releases is one way to do this, and most importantly its one way that leaves little room for endless discussion. (and no, "common sense" is a terrible idea for this kind of things).
eg following your logic - i met and got friends with most of my later group mates in school, i spent a lot of time with them in local youth club, and i was introduced to Jihad and Florasoft in secondary school. and i used to spend countless hours in the schools computer room to chat with them, learn some basic crap, and copy c64 games. this is what ultimatively made me a scener, i guess.
however, all this is trivia info at best, and hardly interesting in "the big picture" (a lot of people could tell similar stories) - and thats why i dont add a couple dozen entries for meeting friends and chatting with them about c64 stuff, its simply pointless and non interesting for anyone. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
I don't necessarily disagree with the line that you draw, I disagree with your statement that "small meetings without releases contribute nothing to c64 history". Because as important as CSDb is to our scene, ultimately it doesn't define it ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
of course not, the c64 scene is mostly defined by c64 scene releases (thats what divides it from other social contexts) - which is the whole point afterall :) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Interesting .. because while I of course fully appreciate the 'what' (releases), to me the most important aspect of the scene is the 'who' (the people and the the way we work together).
But given your point of view I understand the way CSDb is managed a bit better now ;) |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2581 |
Wouldn't at least the existence of an invitation and/or a party report in a mag somewhere also justify an entry? One could argue that as soon as somebody bothered to write about it, it somehow did become part of scene history. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11352 |
perhaps, see what count zero wrote above. i'd still prefer seeing some kind of scroller or so at least :) |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1922 |
I personally see no problem in entries with "just" an invitation - at least link SOMETHING to it that is 8bit binary. Would have expected some notemaker files on one or the other entry ...
For events there is also the possibility to add a party report. NONE of the 500 or so checked entries had one. Many people adding entries here obviously think even copy/pasting some blog post about the party is too awkward and too much work.
IMHO its much about maintenance. Any database is just as good as the properly verified and complete content. Link rot is a funny topic as well.
@cobra - are you the dark side of Samar or sumthing? Your group mates seem not to be such bollocks. |
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