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2021-12-13 15:19
Mr. SID

Registered: Jan 2003
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Sonic the Hedgehog for C64/128 + REU

We're proud to announce Sonic the Hedgehog for Commodore 64/128 + REU (PAL and NTSC).

This is the first game that has exclusively been designed for the REU, to make a fast and smooth full-screen scrolling version of Sonic with little compromises.
This game is a direct port of the SEGA Master System 8-Bit version of Sonic the Hedgehog, with about 64 KB of code hand-translated from the Z80 to the 6502 architecture.

The game will be released as a free download in the coming weeks (exact release date to be announced).
It requires a C64 or C128 (in C64 mode), a compatible REU of at least 256 KB, a compatible drive (.d64 and .d81 images will be provided) and any joystick or gamepad (no extra buttons required). On NTSC, a C128 or other CPU accelerator is highly recommended.

In the mean time, here's a trailer and some screenshots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGp4a00OeRs



 
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2021-12-15 23:36
Neo-Rio
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I would have thought that the original game speed should be that of NTSC - given that the original game was developed by the Japanese, and they use NTSC like the USA.

Best way to determine the correct speed would be the Game Gear version or even the mobile app version - as they are video system and region neutral. To me, those versions sound NTSC speed.
2021-12-16 08:55
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
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Quote: @Conrad: The music speed is authentic. Checked the PAL version of Master System Sonic recently and it is the same.

<Post edited by hedning on 16/12-2021 08:59>

Correct. Europeans are used to this 20% slower speed game and music. NTSC land (60 hz land) are used to a faster version - which is the speed it was develped for. In modern rereleases of the game SEGA fixed the speed in the PAL version, in many cases - for example for the Dreamcast if I recall correctly.

Said that, Europeans will probably feel completely at home with the current speed.

Awesome job, guys!
2021-12-16 08:58
macx

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 254
This is SO GOOD! Cheers lads!
2021-12-16 09:48
Wile Coyote
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Posts: 646
The speed of the music in this video works well.
https://youtu.be/SQPvA0OvR24

It appears the music speeds up from time to time.

Watching the video in the link provided, i never knew the Master System was quite that good.

Having never played a Sonic game, it will be good to give the C64 version a proper play through.
2021-12-16 10:20
Alta

Registered: Dec 2010
Posts: 9
@Wile Coyote: The music in sonic speeds up when you pick up the speed boots!
2021-12-16 10:25
MagerValp

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1075
Quoting hedning
Said that, Europeans will probably feel completely at home with the current speed.

hashtag notalleuropeans

It was clearly composed at NTSC tempo and just because they did a bad job porting the music in the 80s doesn't mean you couldn't do a better job today. I fully respect that there may be technical limitations preventing it, but if the songs have tempo settings that can be adjusted to compensate for the slower playback frequency that'd be a great option to add.
2021-12-16 12:39
Wile Coyote
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@Alta I see. During the video, the opening level, something causes the music to either change slightly or speed up slightly. On picking up the boots, the music speeds up dramatically.
2021-12-16 12:43
Wile Coyote
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@MagerValp Correct. European/UK in most cases tended to get a slowed down, squashed screen take on the US/Japanese release.

Sonic looks round on NTSC. Sonic looks slightly squashed on the PAL version. That is why i picked up a Japanese Sega Saturn (with stepdown converter) to experience full screen, full speed games.
2021-12-16 16:32
Trurl

Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 61
Quote: Quoting hedning
Said that, Europeans will probably feel completely at home with the current speed.

hashtag notalleuropeans

It was clearly composed at NTSC tempo and just because they did a bad job porting the music in the 80s doesn't mean you couldn't do a better job today. I fully respect that there may be technical limitations preventing it, but if the songs have tempo settings that can be adjusted to compensate for the slower playback frequency that'd be a great option to add.


So, an update with selectable music speed is already on the wishlist :)
2021-12-17 01:59
Neo-Rio
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Posts: 63
So there's some video updates on Lemon.
Release date is 19th December.

Also running it on NTSC apparently gets the accurate music rendition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPtzJnC4g1Q&t=7s
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