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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 3075 |
Handle id #3733 : Smalltown Boy
So some idiot with three fake accounts, or two idiots (one having have fake account), or even three separate idiots have given smalltown boy 1 point in the voting chart.
Why we tolerate such things. Users here were asking for this all the time. Even the poll was made for this. And what happened? User CAN permit that his votes aren't anonymous. Well if you guys at CSDB cleaned the mess after fake voters without disclosing their identity I wouldn't mind if the voters stayed anonymous, but you don't do that.
This whole system is so unhealthy that it doesn't have any reason to exist. None of your partial solutions helped the get rid of this problem. So either make visible voting or disable votes of invisible voters completely so they wont be affecting charts. That will save those idiots of any reactions from people who care and it will separate votes of grownup civilised people from votes of primitives.
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Cybernator Account closed
Registered: Jun 2002 Posts: 154 |
Hollowman: I think you got me wrong. It's not about being better or not, but in the case of Second Reality, it's seems to me that the guy really downvoted the demo. Like if you have insulted me, and I give you 1 point in return, no matter if your demo really kicks ass.
According to the votes, people seem not to like that demo a lot. Maybe I just have a different opinion. But in any way, giving 1 point to SR is quite ridiculous, imho.
Ok, back to the topic. This was about Smalltown Boy, and I think I went a little bit OT. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 475 |
creamd, i usually say whatever i want. sorry for overinterpreting your words. reading carefully i see that you only did draw the conclusion that if you give sb a 1 point, you are an idiot
actually i dont care much at all about the charts here,
people seem to have different ideas of their purpose.
as i understand it, many want the average score to
show some objective truth, since the ammount of work
and skill should be considered. then we could let a few
persons with insight tell their objective opinion. lets
say graham rates code, jailbird the gfx, sb the music etc and have the grades settled once and for all.
and we'd get rid of the problem with voters who dont know shit. then its no longer the public who rates demos and sceners, but subjective opinions seem to cause so much fuzz here anyway, especially since they dont come with a motivation attached.
non anonymous votes does make a bit of sense since you
can track down the person and perhaps get some suggestions
about what to improve. but then there are few people on the c64 scene i would listen to anyway..
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Perff Administrator
Posts: 1686 |
About downvoting..
I havn't read all the posts in this topic through, but some time ago I tried to make a function that tries to figure out if votes are crap votes or not, and reduce them if they are.
I never got to make that as good as I wanted but it worked a bit. Now when I saw these votes I again went back and twisted my function a bit more, so now I think it works better.
At least smalltown boy's rating is now aprox 7.5 where before it was aprox. 6.5.
The best thing is ofcourse to find these crap voters and kick their ass, but that requires a LOT of time looking through log files etcetc, and personally I don't have time for that. :/ |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 3075 |
Quote: creamd, i usually say whatever i want. sorry for overinterpreting your words. reading carefully i see that you only did draw the conclusion that if you give sb a 1 point, you are an idiot
actually i dont care much at all about the charts here,
people seem to have different ideas of their purpose.
as i understand it, many want the average score to
show some objective truth, since the ammount of work
and skill should be considered. then we could let a few
persons with insight tell their objective opinion. lets
say graham rates code, jailbird the gfx, sb the music etc and have the grades settled once and for all.
and we'd get rid of the problem with voters who dont know shit. then its no longer the public who rates demos and sceners, but subjective opinions seem to cause so much fuzz here anyway, especially since they dont come with a motivation attached.
non anonymous votes does make a bit of sense since you
can track down the person and perhaps get some suggestions
about what to improve. but then there are few people on the c64 scene i would listen to anyway..
Thanx for rewording what I wanted to say. Yes and btw. that was the least brutal insult I could think of.
The rest of your text is a very shy *yes*, to my suggestion. Thanx. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001 Posts: 3075 |
Quote: About downvoting..
I havn't read all the posts in this topic through, but some time ago I tried to make a function that tries to figure out if votes are crap votes or not, and reduce them if they are.
I never got to make that as good as I wanted but it worked a bit. Now when I saw these votes I again went back and twisted my function a bit more, so now I think it works better.
At least smalltown boy's rating is now aprox 7.5 where before it was aprox. 6.5.
The best thing is ofcourse to find these crap voters and kick their ass, but that requires a LOT of time looking through log files etcetc, and personally I don't have time for that. :/
Perff I have one more suggestion which could be implemented. Make possibility to disable anonymous votes from charts in the CSDB user profile. If he doesn't want to see charts influence by votes from anonymous voters he will disable it. Either make it on or off by default, but please do that. I'll sleep better. Other wannabe suggestion doing the same as your routine does is that if an editor of the database entry wanted he could be able to disable anonymous votes for the database entry. All this debate leads into one and only conclusion ---> anonymous votes and voters are unwanted by the most people.
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Puterman Account closed
Registered: Jan 2002 Posts: 188 |
Judging by the number of votes that most releases get, I'd say it's more like votes are uninteresting to most people.
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Board Rider
Registered: Jan 2002 Posts: 15 |
I would have to agree on all posts here... I only voted on some demos and such... but, I thought they was very good demos.
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