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Monte Carlos
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 355 |
Church of C64
What is this Church of C64 thing about?
It makes me suspicious, because they come up with
a very hirarchical organisation and seem to introduce
"Pay members" again.
Monte Carlos
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
Well, maybe its just me, but what do 'church' & 'religion' have in common after all?
A church of c64 is IMHO really really nothing anybody needs. And IF there should be someone in need for that it might be considered if there's nothing else MUCH more needed!
As for the usual, modern church... I know only very few people going to church to praise someone honestly...
And I just dont wanna discuss the term 'love' - especially not when it concerns machines.
Just a statement :o) People loving machines dont love themselves.
If going to church helps - there you go.
Graham: the question of god is not one of existence. Though I believe rather in 'good' than god. But it can be seen pretty closely.
Whatever.
Oh, please add 'I think' to all I say. I hate guys (females doubly so) that claim truth with every crap they say.
One survivor... signing off...
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 476 |
church is just a losely chosen term. just remember the COS - they're not a real church in the actual meaning, they're rather a cult. (ok, lets pretend the lavey-mansion is in fact a church)
i see the idea of the new church of c64 as a cult as well. though, without knowing pingu, i don't see that thing to happen. the whole idea is fucking absurd anyway. |
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carlsson
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 41 |
Interestingly, the web page said the membership fees would go to an application fee to register Church of C64 as an official religion in Sweden.
In Sweden, between 0.6 and 1.5% of your income, depending on which region you live in, is taxated to your favorite church of choice, or not at all if you have chosen not to a member of any church or religion.
If the founders of this movement actually would succeed in registering a religion, the members can in theory assign their tax money to the C64 church. Dunno if that would end up as pocket money to Pingo et. al, if it would sponsor a web site or come to good use. |
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Rattus
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 34 |
Yep...
I think the church of C64 or whatever is kind of a sick joke... I consider myself highly religious... I almost never go to church, but I believe in God and Jesus... So what ? But I really can't take it anymore with these 'churches'... Wrong, all wrong...
>"Just a statement :o) People loving machines dont love >themselves."
And besides my wife and my two lovely rats, I also love all of my Commodore 64's.
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Pater Pi
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 121 |
How is it with registering a religion ins weden? is money all you need? i guess not, at least not here in germany. there are a lot of criterias that must be filled with having a huge followership being one of the main (oh god, my english sucks:=)
To be honest, I also thought about how nice it would be to have that small&inactive demo-group changed into some losely based "religion" with a huge followship so we'll get some church-building from the state for regular use (for parties ofcourse) |
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Rattus
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Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 34 |
Fine ,but don't ever call it CHURCH. |
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dalezy
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 476 |
pater pi, well, everything that wants to count as religious movement in whatever way - other than christianity - is per definition a sect in germany (i still have the papers that state exactly that somewhere), but can be treated as philosphical congrecation/cult if it meets certain terms and rules in a wisely chosen way .. not sure how it works in other countries, but if it's that easy to register religious movements just by handing money over to the government, i start to question another part of the not-so-openmindedness of our state. =) |
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ready.
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 441 |
My personal point of view about "love". Enthusi said:"People loving machines dont love themselves" and Rattus said:"And besides my wife and my two lovely rats, I also love all of my Commodore 64's". When can I say I love someone? I truly love someone when I freely decide to give up part of my time, comfort, life, coding on my C64 or whatever thing I consider important to dedicate myself to that person. Jesus gave up his life for all of us, he showed us how far people's "love" for themself could go, being an obstacole to many who had power at his time, just because he claimed true love. If I truly love material things, money, power, ..... I give my life for that and in my humanity I realize I do this too often, but I also know this kills me. Please don't misunderstand me: I'm not saying material things are bad, not at all, I'm just saying I think that considering material things as a cult or as a god, is an abomination. We are made to love each other and material things are just intruments to do this. I think that programming on the c64 can be both an abomination as well as a holy thing. If I devote myself to programming while a friend of mine is in need of my presence for whatever reason, I consider it an abomination. It is a holy thing when it brings us toghether, brings us on this forum, realizing how many different points of view we have and that it is nice to respect each other and learn from each other. Being on this forum thanks the to c64, it is also nice that we discuss what love is and that everybody may give his/her word about it. One day someone asked me a fundamental question, a question some demo sceners pointed out on a christmas demo a few year ago: what's the meaning of life? Personally I think love for each other is the meaning of life. |
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enthusi
Registered: May 2004
Posts: 675 |
oh, my bad.
For me true love means beeing loved back. Its an interactive 'thing'. Sure I can be 'in love' (damn, seems like I'll need quite many ''') withsomeone not sharing it (yes, I think that happened to me before :o).
My C64 is my precious for sure :o)
And I in some way love my cat but for me the love to a nonliving thing can not exist. Its bipolar in every way.
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
I also love my C64, but the important thing is: He loves me, too! We're one hell of a couple! ;-)
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