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2021-05-21 10:06

TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2219

Anonymous Downvoters / Haters

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Submitted by saulc12 [PM] on 21 May 2021
I should just point out that I am not letting anything ruin my day, I am not distressed or in tears and I do not feel the need for validation. The reason this bothers me so much is as I said already, I don't like spite or cowardice and I am not the only target, plus as I said it then makes voting (especially in things like competitions) pointless. It is not how I approach the scene and I find it disappointing and frustrating that some people do approach the scene in this way.

Thanks for everybody's input and comments though.

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Submitted by saulc12 [PM] on 21 May 2021
Chiuhino, I am not saying that I cannot be voted low for every tune I make, after all if somebody really doesn't like what I do then they don't like it, what I am saying is that it is obvious when this is just default and deliberate downvoting (and I am not the only person that has to put up with this). If the majority of votes are in the 8 to 10 range and somebody then comes along and always votes 1 or 2 this is not somebody expressing an opinion, it is just spite. As I said before, it then makes the whole voting process pointless. I accept that music can be quite divisive, but not to that extent. I don't understand why you would defend the actions of shit-posters and trolls.

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Submitted by iAN CooG [PM] on 21 May 2021
> ban anonymous votes

you have no idea how many so called "friends" would be finally revealed to be actually back-stabbers if that would happen and all anonym votes became public :D
I was a mod in here and I could see the voters even if set to anonym ;)
All I have to add is: don't let a SINGLE low voter ruin your day, everyone in here sooner or later will get his own personal "hater" because the system allows it, but the majority of positive votes should compensate the existance of a single idiot who doesn't have the guts to tell you what he thinks in your face of you or your releases.

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Submitted by Steel [PM] on 21 May 2021
Saul i really love this and you shouldn't care about that single downvote hater. haters gonna hate who cares ;) take my 10

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Submitted by chuinho [PM] on 21 May 2021
Saul, but what you say is basically: "i can't be voted low for every tune i make" - i think you can, and this possibility applies to absolutely everyone, even LMan or Linus. there is no objective value of what we do and each musician has his/her own style, which may be - for individual cases - annoying, hence the downvotes.

still, i really understand your sentiment - if i wasn't so much a relativist, i'd post comments very similar to yours ;)

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Submitted by SKR [PM] on 21 May 2021
If I could change only one thing about csdb, it would be to ban anonymous votes ... but well, that topic has been discussed many times.

@saulc: I think that as an artist you shouldn't even care at all about (down)votings, or even make your contributions to csdb dependent on them.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some manage to express their opinion honestly, others dont. The usual downvotes seem to come from people that are too bitter, manipulative or poisonously ambitious to be able to make an appreciative judgment about other's work at all.

Keep up your work and keep posting your stuff to CSDB. I would not want to miss any of it, just due to some lame downvoting.

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Submitted by saulc12 [PM] on 21 May 2021
I don’t have any tears, I am just annoyed. I stayed away from CSDB for a year because I got annoyed about this stuff before, and I now regret coming back on, because absolutely nothing has changed. I said it before that this kind of stuff brings out the worst in me and I don’t want to be in that position.

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Submitted by Stabile Altbauten [PM] on 21 May 2021
Saul I get also low Votes but it do not matter because i know what is right Inside of Myself . No Reason for Tears.! Let us become a group we can become Low Voted People from CSdB how sounds that Saul ? Put a smiley on your face Yours Micha

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Submitted by saulc12 [PM] on 20 May 2021
Chuinho, somebody downvoting every single thing that you post is not in any way about whether they like the music or not; it is shit-posting and trolling and it makes any voting in competitions or otherwise on here absolutely fucking pointless. What’s more it is always anonymous and the fuckers who do it never post a corresponding comment with any critique or explanation as that would mean that they outed themselves. Funnily enough I don’t care whether I win or lose, I just can’t abide spite or cowardice.

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Submitted by chuinho [PM] on 20 May 2021
Saul, the overall compo result will NOT be calculated basing solely on csdb votes.
btw. countless times i was disappointed with what i could describe as 'downvoting', but i suppose it's just people not liking my music at all. it kills motivation and does damage to self-esteem, but we're in the most abstract of arts, in which anyone can vote low without giving an objective reason.

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Submitted by Matt [PM] on 20 May 2021
Initially I wanted to say that you shouldn't worry too hard about the downvoters but to be honest I would just be as pissed off as you are.
What the fuck people!
Great tune by the way.

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Submitted by Joe [PM] on 20 May 2021
Lovely tune!

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Submitted by theK [PM] on 20 May 2021
Really nice tune!
Sad to see the behavior from some people. :-/

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Submitted by Oswald [PM] on 20 May 2021
agree with saul, you should be ashamed guys. disgusting what you do.

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Submitted by saulc12 [PM] on 20 May 2021
I see the down voters are in again, just so one again there’s no fucking point in me ever entering into any competition on here because some spiteful twats will vote down every time, and they cottoned on to the fact that just voting one has no impact, so that’s me not posting on CSDB any more. Utterly fucking pointless.
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2021-05-21 15:29

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360

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literally EVERY recent tune (and maybe older ones too, I haven't checked) by Saul Cross gets 2 by default, regardless of actual release value. For me that's already stalking.

So what, all releases get one 2 from someone? Would you even know this when the voting stats wouldnt be public? Does it matter at all when ~10 ppl voted significantly higher?

The problem here is that the single guy who votes 2 gets the attention, leans back, enjoys popcorn. Hide the stats and the problem goes away.

PS: there is no need for trial and error tempering: CSDb Voter Pro 1.0

2021-05-21 15:42

MagerValp

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1074

There are several options like making all voting public, removing the vote statistics page, or removing voting altogether. But do something and stop defending the status quo, since the current system is nothing but a source of abuse, drama, and trolling. If you want people to release more and vote less, don't keep a system that drives away creative people while providing a perfect playground for assholes.

2021-05-21 15:47

F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 117

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Hide the stats and the problem goes away.

No, it doesn't. It's just you pretending it doesn't exist.

2021-05-21 15:48

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360

I am willing to bet that nothing will be changed unless Perff hands over maintainership to someone who actually gives a damn.

Of course just not taking this voting kindergarten serious isnt an option, i understand that.

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No, it doesn't. It's just you pretending it doesn't exist.

So you'd whine as well when you see someones entry with a calculated result of 8.9?

2021-05-21 15:49

Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1927

Sigh.

Anyone who wants to get downvoted, msg me.
Anyone who upvotes others - how dare you! Be fair! Your group mates are equally shitty compared to the rest of this bunch.
Anyone who cares - keep posting. I feel there is a real text flood being held back by you people in lack of other topics.

Anyone who already downvotes - go ahead! We love the drama you create!

*looks at the fire with a glance in the eyes*

2021-05-21 15:56

Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335

I upvote everyone equally, unless sth sucks cock ;)

2021-05-21 16:01

ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1408

There are waaaay too many nine and ten votes - no space for nuance at all.

Sometimes a low vote just means someone didn't like the production.. and/or spaces out their votes so they can vote godlike > astounding > amazing > excellent > very good > good, oh look we're down to voting 5 for something that's still decent and 4 for something that's just not your cup of tea despite being technically ok...

FWIW, I've not voted on Follin Around yet :P

2021-05-21 16:02

chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360

BTW, "we" have one anti-fan as well who frequently votes low scores for our stuff. I find it quite funny. Apperently there are still people around who think this means anything to me or us. Cute. :)

2021-05-21 16:10

ChristopherJam

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1408

Quoting Groepaz

That said, what also needs to be removed is the ability to see the result of the voting before you even voted. Not only this skewes the results - not seeing the result might even motivate some more people to vote at all.

Ooh, now there's a thought.

2021-05-21 16:25

saulc12
Account closed

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 19

A more sensible voting system would simply be a ballot - i.e. vote if you like the product (all votes carry a value of 1) and don't vote if you don't. The idea of voting a score becomes meaningless the moment somebody makes a deliberate downvote and it really isn't helped by the bizarre algorithm that is used for weighting, which while it is supposed to reduce the effects of downvoting produces some very inconsistent and often bizarre results. Of course you could just remove anonymity from the voting while keeping the scoring system in and that would probably go a long way to dealing with deliberate downvoting as those low votes are invariably anonymous and there are never corresponding comments that would suggest the reason behind the vote (as commenting is not anonymous.

As for upvoting by members of the same group, there is really little (sensible) that can be done about that, except to hope that people would vote honestly. But it is a valid point that this does exist and also, effectively makes voting, especially in competitions, somewhat meaningless. For example, as the group I am tied to is RGCD and others tied to RGCD are not regularly voting on here, I am not going to get a string of additional votes, while some groups have regular voters who will quite often vote 10 by default on any production that comes from the group (self voting would also come under this - I no longer vote on my own productions).

In all honesty, I have not intended to create a shit storm over any of this, but for my own part, as I have said, I don't lie spite or cowardice and I guess that I would hope for fairness. Ultimately for example I don't really expect to win in any competition or expect high scores, but I would like to think that the score and placements I got were fair and honest, and would hope the same would be true for anybody else who uploaded here. I don't think I am alone in this.

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