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Merman
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 140 |
Transparent votes?
There's been a lot of "discussion" in the one-liner box about whether voting should be transparent, i.e. you can see who voted (and their vote's value).
I feel that things should stay as they are, just the number of votes and "weighted" vote shown for each entry. That would save all the arguments "why did you vote low for me?" or "he/she is a lamer, they voted low for me/my release"
What do others think? |
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160 |
Ah, all I wanted for peace of mind in this world was to confirm my strong suspicion that it was indeed Puterman voting 1 to certain mags quite systematically, thanks csdb crew :)) |
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Graham
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
what about making votes transparent which absolutely don't fit to the rest of the votes? |
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DCMP
Account closed
Registered: May 2003
Posts: 59 |
Quote: the first step is done but it won't help at all as the downvoters will never turn this feature on,
auto exposing at vote 1,2,3 would be better. Maybe on 10 and 9, too.
btw. puterman is very hard to satisfy, guess all coders have to improve a lot if they want a high vote ,-D
regards
I agree. That auto exposing those rates thing seems like a good idea. :) |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1677 |
We also thought about that.
Actually we made something that should display these votes, but we didn't activate it because:
1. When is a vote 'anormal' enough? (sugestions are welcome)
2. If someone just simply disagrees with others (that happens) should they then be exposed just because of that?
In my oppinion the absolutely best solution is down-grade the votes which appear extreme in some way. No exposiure of ppl who don't want their oppinion out.
Unfortunately I have no idea of how to figure out what is extreme and how you should down-grade it.
Some statistics-guru out there who can help? |
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Slator
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 274 |
As I wrote before, it is easy to see if someone just downvotes or really thinks that this one is bad.
If user "eduardo lamer" gives a 1 to "deus ex machina" or some real guy is voting a 1 is a difference, you can always ask him why he did it and maybe discuss it. It is not very likely that some proper fellow is giving such votes.
for anything concerning math shit as Graham, he will most likely spin your brain around with some figure-spanking |
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Perff
Administrator
Posts: 1677 |
You just give me the code that can see if it's a lamer vote or not and I'll put it in CSDb right away! ;)
No. I'm trying to do some math right now.
Graham (or anyone else) - you are welcome to hit me with some ideas.
Just a question trown out there:
I guess you can assume that votes will follow a normal distribution, but can you also assume that the standart deviation is constant? |
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Oxidy
Account closed
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 80 |
Perhaps this is already suggested?
You have your weighted average. I think it would be reasonable to have the votes of the transparent voters weigh higher. For example divide the importance of the non-transparent votes by half in the weighted average formula. This would encourage people to vote transparent and all anonymous downvotes would not weigh as much.
Another thing. Why not have the possibility to add a comment together with your votes, such as on c64.ch. It's quite interesting to read those comments (ie if any is written).
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Derision
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 69 |
I still like the idea of having limited non-transparent voting. In that way, you don't even have to worry too much about the "lamer votes", because 99% of lamer votes come from the transparent, and if you're limited to a range of 3-8, you can't downvote all that effectively.
And, by God, there's no math required. Well, none that can't be summed up by saying:
"If four people vote 5, and the fifth votes 3, it will bring the average down far less than if that fifth person voted 1."
If someone wants anonymity that much, then I figure they'll be willing to deal with the restricted votes.
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Optimus
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 122 |
Finally, we have transparent votes and I also know now who is responsible for the site. Any new suggestions would be interesting to implement..
P.S. Graham's suggestion was surprisingly original. Not that I got it, cause I don't know the english terminology. Lol! I guess I've gotta open my math books now :) |
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Optimus
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 122 |
It would be great to click on a CSDB user and see a list of all his votes, descending. It's interesting to see what an individual scener likes.. |
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