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2003-05-11 12:04

Sad
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German thing

I only want to ask sceners from germany, why they release so much things in german language? Why they can't do it in English? In german, it will be only for german speak, but most of us can speak only english, so why they want to do things for all of us? Maybe there is still feeling in them, that they are something special and they don't want respect everyone. You know, who staretd two world wars and why!!!

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2003-05-14 22:48

MorGorr
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Quote: Realy I can't understand why is SAD nazi retard. He don't like only german language at C64 scene... Realy I don't know, why some fuckers impute SAD about fascist thinks... I don't like german phraseography in electrotechnics, I am nazi retard too!!!
LHS

Either you are messing things up completely, or you are trying to make this thread even more absurd than it already is...:

In his first post *he* (Sad) referred to Germans as the starters of WW II. Nobody called *him* a nazi though.

If I understood correctly, that "retard" thing is about (not only German) people who release old or very oldschoolish things, which are therefore considered bullshit by others.

2003-05-14 22:49

Rough
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He, Roman, you Dunno! *lol*

2003-05-15 04:50

LHS

Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: What TMR wanted to say is. If you want to argue in english learn english, or read more carefully. If you are insulted in english please double check if that was really insult. If you want to use insults please try to think twice before using them.

Example of my own experience. I thought "dunno" is an insult when I was starting with irc in 1994, but no it means "don't know". (it still sounds like dumbo, or dumbass to me ;-)

roman

OK, my english is very lame, but principle you can understand. I don't know any english words, I am only hearing voices in my head :o)

2003-05-15 04:56

LHS

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 66

Still I can't understand, why you are imputation SAD from nazi ideology. We are from Czech rep., we know was WW2! He don't like only much of text about C64 in non-universal language...

2003-05-15 08:29

Shake

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The last sentence of Sad's first post, and then answer your question again why Sad is linking Germans with nazis. Try to argue that one.

His only meant point is probably that he dislikes nonenglish texts in c64 prods, have to agree with that.

2003-05-15 09:35

T.M.R
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English *isn't* a universal language as such, it's not particularly subtle and context is important; Sad himself proved that by misinterpreting what Puterman said. It's convenient that we all work in the same language but we only do so by consensus and there's nothing to stop everyone changing their minds tomorrow except the fact that we all *want* to talk to each other (at least, i hope so).

When i talk to others in the U.K. i use a collection of slang and cultural references that people not familiar with this country may not be aware of. i wouldn't deliberately use most of these on #c-64 for example (they slip out sometimes...!) not because of some nationalist pride or whatever but because i want to communicate in a way that doesn't confuse the other parties. The "real English" scene in Austin Powers: Goldmember isn't as far from the truth as people think... =-)

2003-05-15 13:14

_V_
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Personal opinion.

Sad: Please, calm yourself there. Violence has no place inside the scene, and certainly not in this case.

About the topic: I'm all for using a standard form of English as a way to communicate inside the scene. If you want to work with people from other nationalities, it helps to have a common language and English, being rather easy-to-learn, fits the bill nicely.

Nonetheless, I also feel that demos and other scene productions should not be in English only. It's an artform after all, and then you're _free_ to express yourself in a way *you* are happy with, regardless of the opinions of others.

How extreme you wish to be is up to you, and depends on what you wish to accomplish with your work. Then, if you wish to reach a large crowd, it's common sense to use a universal language (if the production requires the usage of one, of course) and I guess English is the best choice. Of course, with Chinese you can also reach a (very) large crowd, but I'm not sure if they have a scene there. Maybe in the underground, who knows?

So, there is nothing wrong with sceners using their home language if their goal is to reach out to the other sceners there. Should outsiders be able to see such a production, they'll have to take it as is, and definately not regard the people behind it as being "behind the times". It's their good right, albeit not without consequences.

And there's certainly nothing wrong in incorporating a *little* of your local culture or your identity into your own work. I personally like those little "quirks" - if the production's cool, they'll spike my curiosity to such an extent that I simply _have_ to find out what they mean.

We had "Hund" in the Farbrausch prods, french poems in No Exit/Nomad, Japanese kanji in several pc prods and the ominous "rullar" in Dawnfall/Oxyron. Spielereien like that are just fun, and I'm glad they're here.

Okay, I think I took enough of everyone's time. Doei,

Vincent.

2003-05-16 08:21

ceti
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Registered: May 2003
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Yes, SAD has right, noone here can forget about the 2.WW and what all Germans did.
But I`ve got a German girlfriend anyway :)
All the other mags from the other countries are ONLY in English, also do the same please. Obwohl ich selber ziemlich gut Dtsch sprechen kann, natuerlich auch die andere von hier wollen was davon ham. So bittet mich jeder um dings zu uebersetzen und ich hab wirklich schon die schnauze voll davon ! Also das wars fuer`s heute..

2003-05-16 08:43

Slator

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 274

You can do whatever you want, if you want to release a magazine in afrikaans do it!
Nobody forces you to either download, watch or understand it anyways.

if you don't like atari, you don't buy one,
if you don't like wine, you don't buy it and don't drink it.

so if you don't like German mags or Polish or whatever mags then don't eat, buy, download, copy, read or whatever them.

At least you know that if you write your stuff in English you might have the biggest language-platform for c64 releases. Maybe you don't want it as it is a release just for fun or for a small more localised audience/group of interested.

btw. German is a language that was spoken before WWII, too :D just to make sure that speaking German does not lead automatically to be or to like what some would call "NAZI".

Please don't forget that this shit here is some kind of hobby maybe a lifestyle for some ppl in deeper trouble but never forget the point of it, FUN.

And now we build up a circle off all c64 ppl and pray for free love and free 5.25 "

2003-05-16 10:18

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: This whole "retard/lame scene" thing that people have been labelling releases/people with is WRONG. And labelling a release in a particular language as "retard" is also WRONG.

It's got to the stage where there isn't any point releasing anything new - you either get hailed by the elite scene and then get people complain, or you get called lame from the start and will never be regarded any higher because of the elite.

I thought the scene had grown up past petty fights and name-calling. Obviously I was wrong.

Well, I think the retard thing has been just an useless comment; - Do not notice this -

I think the point of the discussion is, if releases in non-English are good or bad. Well, I would like to see everything in English! And I am always happy to see things in English. I know some good examples! I even know somebody of whom I am the only contact not speaking the "righ mother tongue". So, only because of me, things turned into English, which I find good, because I don't know Swedish! :)