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ZZAP69
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 30 |
Best LCD TV-set for the C64?
Most people I've talked to, doesn't recommend a LCD TV as a C64 monitor, but my question is: which is the best one? I'm looking forward to a slick C64 setup with 1541U and a very portable monitor. :D
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Thanks for the heads up. Let's hope some more people share their experience about that topic. By the way, sorry for kind of hijacking that thread, but I think the questions are similar, so we can combine forces in this one. |
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Devia
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 401 |
I have an old Compaq 2025 TFT monitor with S-VHS input. When using this with my various C64s, some have color, some only B/W. Some change between B/W and color. Using the Composite input always works properly.
My advice: Try before you buy!
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510 |
Yeah imagine the following situation:
Customer in the multimedia compartment of the next electronic superstore.
"Hey, clerk, would you mind me attaching that to some TVs? And yes, could you please bring me an extension cord?"
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Edhellon
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 22 |
I think WVL and Clarence both have the same LCD monitor (Ok, not an LCD TV, but still...) and they did quite a bit of research before setting on a particular type. AFAIR one of the key features to look for is proper support for 50hz signal. But I'm sure WVL will step in and fill us in regarding the exact type, features, whatsoever. |
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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 898 |
Ehr.. don't ask me :D My c64 doesnt work on my LCD-monitor, despite other stuff that does work..
I have the Neovo X-19AV (black), and Clarence has the X-17AV (white). And for Clarence, it DOES work.
The most important is not proper 50hz support, because c64 isnt proper 50hz either... Most important is that the tft is flexible, and the more modern they seem to be, the less flexible. Pretty annoying actually.
Anyway, you can never be sure it works, until you test it. Same for beamers, although they seem to be more flexible than most lcd-screens.. |
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AmiDog
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 97 |
The most annoying thing with the Sony LCD-TV I've got is that the deinterlacing can't be disabled. This means the TV tries to reduce what it thinks is a 50 fps interlaced source to a 25 fps progressive one. The C64 obviously doesn't have an interlaced output but rather a 50 fps progressive one (or atleas it only ouput either odd or even fields), but the TV doesn't understand that. As a result, games with scrolling gets jerky and interlaced tricks (like Rainbow Islands alternating the color of one of the collected diamonds each frame) gets completely destroyed... All in all the LCD makes C64 game playing and demo watching about as much fun as using VICE on my laptop, but luckily my old Sony CRT have come to the rescue :-) |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 253 |
These are the reasons the Chameleon cart will rock, whenever it will be available:
http://allt.jonatanforsberg.net/krams/c64/50chameleon.html |
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MagerValp
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1074 |
Some LCDs have a setting called "Game Mode", which typically disables deinterlacing and other image "enhancements" that interferes with game consoles (and thus also C64s). Try looking for something like that in the spec sheet.
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WVL
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 898 |
Maybe to show what I mean :
I tried my c64 on my LCD-tv (a JVC LT37P80b), and the picture looks really fine. But. The tv is really fixed to displaying either 50 or 60hz. So you get frameskip with the 50.12 Hz c64 signal (about every 8 seconds, the screen jumps). It's really really really annoying and I doubt other tv's are any better at stuff like that.. It's like watching VICE on a 50hz lcd monitor.. exactly the same kind of frameskips. |
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 253 |
Mr. Schoenfeld more specifically on the Chameleon Cart:
"The video chip shares the bus with the CPU, and this shared bus is on the expansion port. Chameleon will sniff the bus and see all the data that the VIC is pulling from memory. This data will be used to build a new picture, which is to be written to a frame buffer. The frame buffer will be output to a VGA monitor at a higher frame rate in order to have VGA-compatible frequencies." |
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