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2003-05-11 12:04

Sad
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Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 16

German thing

I only want to ask sceners from germany, why they release so much things in german language? Why they can't do it in English? In german, it will be only for german speak, but most of us can speak only english, so why they want to do things for all of us? Maybe there is still feeling in them, that they are something special and they don't want respect everyone. You know, who staretd two world wars and why!!!

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2003-05-16 10:18

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: This whole "retard/lame scene" thing that people have been labelling releases/people with is WRONG. And labelling a release in a particular language as "retard" is also WRONG.

It's got to the stage where there isn't any point releasing anything new - you either get hailed by the elite scene and then get people complain, or you get called lame from the start and will never be regarded any higher because of the elite.

I thought the scene had grown up past petty fights and name-calling. Obviously I was wrong.

Well, I think the retard thing has been just an useless comment; - Do not notice this -

I think the point of the discussion is, if releases in non-English are good or bad. Well, I would like to see everything in English! And I am always happy to see things in English. I know some good examples! I even know somebody of whom I am the only contact not speaking the "righ mother tongue". So, only because of me, things turned into English, which I find good, because I don't know Swedish! :)

2003-05-16 10:25

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: Stephan, I don't know what exactly did you mean by referring to the Polish scene. National problem? If I understand correctly, you're explaining the existence of Polish-only diskmags or websites with our desire to enclose ourselves, which is coming from the fact that we are angry at other countries for historical reasons. And you're probably 100% wrong.

I can only speak for myself, but, personally, I use my native language everytime when I want to make myself perfectly clear, express what I _exactly_ want to share with others etc. because Polish is the only language I know inside out. If I had any choice, I wouldn't use English at all, unless it proves absolutely necessary. Unfortunately not many people I'm in contact with know Polish.

So for all non-Anglo-Saxon nations it's a matter of the following choice: whether you wish to communicate with the whole world in a somewhat, more or less, crippled way, or to communicate excellently with your countrymates only.

Well, I wonder why you say so, because I think your English is actually quite sophisticated! Honestly.
If I compare my mother tongue (German) with English, then it is (at least) for me easier to point out in English what I exactly mean! That's because of some glitches in German language. Like the "non-difference" between girlfriend and friend. We just have girlfriend only, but no female friend.

(Female friend & Girlfriend = "Freundin" in German).
Sometimes I just modify the German world for pal (Kumpel) to make it female soudnding "Kumpel-in-". Which is not a real German word.
There are other similar examples.

And the English phrases are better than the German ones!
Let's paint the town red! :)

2003-05-16 10:29

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: Yes, SAD has right, noone here can forget about the 2.WW and what all Germans did.
But I`ve got a German girlfriend anyway :)
All the other mags from the other countries are ONLY in English, also do the same please. Obwohl ich selber ziemlich gut Dtsch sprechen kann, natuerlich auch die andere von hier wollen was davon ham. So bittet mich jeder um dings zu uebersetzen und ich hab wirklich schon die schnauze voll davon ! Also das wars fuer`s heute..

Well, that's why I say, please release everything into English to get it to everybody and so everybody should understand.

As for your German sentence: Well, I have had also to translate a lot, Merman too! :)
Even if I tell everybody: Please only English for English mags and homepages.

2003-05-16 10:30

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: You can do whatever you want, if you want to release a magazine in afrikaans do it!
Nobody forces you to either download, watch or understand it anyways.

if you don't like atari, you don't buy one,
if you don't like wine, you don't buy it and don't drink it.

so if you don't like German mags or Polish or whatever mags then don't eat, buy, download, copy, read or whatever them.

At least you know that if you write your stuff in English you might have the biggest language-platform for c64 releases. Maybe you don't want it as it is a release just for fun or for a small more localised audience/group of interested.

btw. German is a language that was spoken before WWII, too :D just to make sure that speaking German does not lead automatically to be or to like what some would call "NAZI".

Please don't forget that this shit here is some kind of hobby maybe a lifestyle for some ppl in deeper trouble but never forget the point of it, FUN.

And now we build up a circle off all c64 ppl and pray for free love and free 5.25 "

Yes, Slator, you have got 100% the point and my fully agreement! Great!!! Thank you!!!!!!

2003-05-16 10:32

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Quote: Sad, Puterman never called *you* a retard, he was referring to German releases being part of the retard scene and generally saying they weren't worth the effort of reading. Since your post was asking Germans why they write in their native language, it's rather ironic that you've answered your *own* question; it's because it's far too easy to misunderstand what's being said if both parties are not totally fluent in English.

i'd suggest that you stop arguing now because you're making yourself look an arse.

I agree!

2003-05-16 11:54

LHS

Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 66

...so if you don't like German mags or Polish or whatever mags then don't eat, buy, download, copy, read or whatever them...

Really true spirit of the scene..!

2003-05-16 14:07

Steppe

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 1510

Quote: ...so if you don't like German mags or Polish or whatever mags then don't eat, buy, download, copy, read or whatever them...

Really true spirit of the scene..!

Huh? Anything wrong with that attitude that I failed to comprehend? 8|

Anyway, this whole messy thread wouldn't have evolved like it is now if some sad person wouldn't have thrown in WW-II or cynically called German the "language of the gods". Sounds more like a general inferiority complex to me... ;-)

2003-05-16 14:17

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

Yers, I think the WWII should be out of this topic!!

2003-05-16 14:23

T.M.R
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 749

"Don't mention the war - I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it!" - Basil Fawlty.

2003-05-16 14:38

Nafcom

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 588

I have a very good example of something, which - so I think - should be in English. It's this homepage:

http://apidya.prv.pl/

Please notice the warning at the upper right corner:

"Attention:
some sentences are translate into English"
but unless you dare to click on the Polish navigation bar on the left, you may see nothing in English on the index page, except a friendly "Hello".

But then, everything is translated. But you won't guess at the beginning what "Ogloszenia" is.
Since this homepage is in multilanguage, it should be easy to offer a navigation bar in English aswell.

But rest of the site is really great and well designed! :)

Well, TMR, I understood about WWII...

All the best!
Bye!
Joerg