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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 323 |
SID music software recommendations?
Hi SID freax...
I am wondering what the general opinion is with what
the most popular or most recommended piece of software
is to use to write music for the SID in 2009?
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
The three (seemingly) most popular: SDI, JCH, GoatTracker 2.
Personally I use GT2, among the native editors I've tried I think I like X-SID best, but I haven't really had enough motivation to learn using it properly yet. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
and i recommend *everyone* who wants to dig into sid music to write one atleast rudimentary player himself and create atleast one tune with it. all the funny numbers will make a lot more sense after that experience :)
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Kristian
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 126 |
Shuddupyaface. That's a lame ass advice for non-coders like myself :) |
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160 |
Quote: and i recommend *everyone* who wants to dig into sid music to write one atleast rudimentary player himself and create atleast one tune with it. all the funny numbers will make a lot more sense after that experience :)
Seconded, it can even be a BASIC program. And if that's too much, then testing out pokes to SID in BASIC's immediate mode is better than nothing :) |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Quote: and i recommend *everyone* who wants to dig into sid music to write one atleast rudimentary player himself and create atleast one tune with it. all the funny numbers will make a lot more sense after that experience :)
Nobody becomes a better graphician by coding their own Koala painter prog.
Your argument, is bollocks.
Musicians either have born talent for doing music, or they train hard and learn it, or they suck.
If you learn to use all features of a good editor, you really have no reason to code it yourself.
The best editors were coded by the musician himself, to fit his own needs. The ones made to please all (music maker, prophet64 etc.) are all utter crap! :-) |
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SIDWAVE
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Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Did i mention, Asterion SID Tracker is a really awesome editor. A bit nerdy, but powerfull as hell!
Nobody uses it, "it's too complicated".
Well, how about putting some effort into learning it ?
It's really only a single day, then things start to give meaning.
Why I always recommend SDI, is because it took me just like 2 hours to learn it, and produce my first tune in it, 11 years ago. (sunny morning blues)
However, to get under the hood, and exploit every possible power of it, took.... 11 years :) |
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Stryyker
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 468 |
"Your argument, is bollocks." is bollocks itself. Somehow you know how everyone learns.
I found messing around with music players, coding them etc. helped me learn a lot.
"The best editors were coded by the musician himself, to fit his own needs." - you can read other information in to that. The musician knows how the magic numbers on screen work with the SID registers.
Then again I make rather low quality music so I know nothing about this.
Adam: What sort of editors are you comfortable? Many like the trackers as they give a more visual representation of timing. Some like duration based players like DMC and SYNC (my favourite.) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Unfortunately, no one can give you a reasonable answer to this question.
It depends alot on your own experience and which editor makes the most sense to you. Try out a few and see which one fits you best.
I tried a couple (Music Assembler, JCH, Voicetracker, Futurecomposer, 20cc Editor, Goattracker) and finally ended up with SDI.
Simply because it had a lot of demotunes to examine and GRG helped me a lot getting started (And it came with lots of recomendations).
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Tim
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 467 |
Agreed with what Stainless said,
Adding to that:
My advice for first time sidders.. go for a tracker based program! Mostly because it's similar to the logics of other trackers..
You could try DMC of course.. but.. if below does not seem appealing, don't even bother:
snd.01 (sound #1)
dur.04 (duration of note)
c-1 (actual note)
snd.02 (sound #2)
dur.02 (duration of note)
c-5 (actual note)
c-5 (actual note)
snd.01 (sound #1)
dur.04
c-1
etc.etc.etc.
I used if for years, and yet it drove me nuts synching the three channels (and i usually ended up visually drawing out all 3 channels of my tunes onto paper). Same goes for many other players with similar logics.
for the above example a tracker would look something like this:
c-0 01000
--- 00000
--- 00000
--- 00000
c-5 02000
--- 00000
c-5 02000
--- 00000
c-0 01000
--- 00000
--- 00000
--- 00000
the above in a page would contain 3 of these next to eachother, one for each channel, so far easier to visualise what you are working on and how one channel translates to the others 2 time wise.
I'd suggest Goat Tracker, but that's because I do not know SDI to be honnest.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11360 |
Quote:Nobody becomes a better graphician by coding their own Koala painter prog.
Your argument, is bollocks.
nobody becomes a better musician by choosing the most sophisticated editor either. but as much as every decent painter spends a while on getting familiar with the properties of various types of paint and canvas, it will benefit even a not-yet-terribly-good musician to spend some time on getting familiar with his instrument.
Quote:Musicians either have born talent for doing music, or they train hard and learn it, or they suck.
except this isnt so much about beeing a good musician. it is about learning every possible detail of your instrument to be able to fully use it.
Quote:If you learn to use all features of a good editor, you really have no reason to code it yourself.
The best editors were coded by the musician himself, to fit his own needs.
and don't these two lines somehow contradict each other? :)
i still say, if you want to do good sid music, you gotta know the sid very well. and one very good way to learn about the sid is to write some little programs that make some sounds. (and i never said someone should make his own editor, thats kinda pointless indeed). like cadaver said, even playing around with the basic programs from the c64 manual is a good way to understand many important things.
and to come back to the original question, i always recommend goattracker... not because it has the most sophisticated player, but because it is very easy to use and generally seems to be a good starting point. and you can always switch to SDI (or my secret favourite: sonic's mod of the x-ample tracker) or whatever later once you start hitting the limits of gt, which will almost certainly take a while for a beginner.
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