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Sander
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 493 |
An update on ‘Pixel art in the C64 demoscene’
Dear fellow sceners,
In response to the comments we received, we’ve made some changes to the document.
Our goal was always to find common ground to maintain the fun and integrity of our hobby.
What this is not:
- It’s not written to limit anyone (only to encourage openness)
- It’s not aimed at specific individuals (it’s a scene wide practice)
Read the document here
We’d really love to hear your thoughts on this update.
Please post them in this thread, be kind and keep it constructive and on-topic please. |
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acrouzet
Registered: May 2020
Posts: 80 |
Quote: Everytime copyright law is mentioned as a reason to do whatever, in a scene that is largely based on ignoring just that, a kitten dies :(
Copyright law hasn't been about the artists in a long time (or forever?) anyway. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 121 |
Copyright law primarily deals with lost (real or imagined) revenues and fair use. But it’s unfortunately the only law we have for now. This should change with the rise of AI. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Btw. when we are talking about AI, this is almost passable asd good quality production. Beautiful colors
Source: playground.com. Converted using RetroPaint (sic) by Krzysztof Andrzej
It's still visible it's not hand retouched, but the control over colors (and dithering patterns, as I have hear) is quite cool feature.
The AI itself is not going anywhere, it will only get better and better and if some insane enthusiast trained it on C64 pixel art techniques, it might even happen that all this kind of images might be generated without middleman tools. I'm saying that in neutral tone. I'm probably more worried percepted value of art, in future. My daughter (17) is studying art school, I wonder what future holds for her. ;-/ |
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acrouzet
Registered: May 2020
Posts: 80 |
It all depends on if people are willing to be honest about the use of AI. I like to believe that humans value things made by other humans. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11164 |
Quote:It's still visible it's not hand retouched
Did you mean: it screams CONVERTED!!!!! so loud, i have to close the tab or my neighbours will complain. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: Everytime copyright law is mentioned as a reason to do whatever, in a scene that is largely based on ignoring just that, a kitten dies :(
Dude. This is an old joke. We no longer operate from our childhood bedrooms. I'm sure you have noticed that we can't be totally careless with certain high profile stuff. SMB64 comes to mind. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11164 |
Don't give me this nonsense that people are no more pirating all over the place.
(There never was a problem with SMB64, that supposed C&D some Website claimed to have seen never existed, that was plain old attentionwhoring. The original links on Lemon are still there and work.) |
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acrouzet
Registered: May 2020
Posts: 80 |
Just in general I don't think that citing copyright law is the best be-all end-all for arguments concerning the rights of creators. I think that may be what GPZ was getting at. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3036 |
Quote: Copyright law hasn't been about the artists in a long time (or forever?) anyway.
That's why I start with attribution and acknowledgement and that's why I say that the explaining paragraph is lazily pasted from chatGPT. I didn't want to skew and manipulate it to prove my point just to solely talk about chivalry of respecting of other authors, but I think that is obvious. Btw. (and I promise this is the last time I'm mentioning it).
Look at this:
Artist Credits:
Design: Ian MacDonald, Tom Jilesen, Zac Roane
Sculpt: Igor Catto, Steve Lord
Mold and Cast: Adam Smith
Paint: Chie Izuma, Holly Knevelbaard
Cut and Sew: Tim Hanson
The Sideshow Design and Development Team
This is complete credits for the thing that on our plattformu has just one TAG stamped on top right corner of the image.
Where one (original) author goes lenghts to give respect to everyone who was directly or even indirectly involved in creation of his sculpture, the other author of derivative work just ignores it completely. |
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acrouzet
Registered: May 2020
Posts: 80 |
I see, I got the sense that copyright law wasn't relevant to your point anyway. |
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