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Bamu®
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Registered: May 2005
Posts: 1332 |
Stupid Hardrestart...
A question to all msx-player coders.
Why 99% of all players have a completely worse hardrestart???
I only know a few (not more than 5) which owns a really HARD = good sound-restart.
With every other player it's impossible to create modern/up-to-date instruments.
I think there are some nice editors (with nice interfaces) out there, but the completely outdated hardrestart destroys everything. :(
So, any explanation for this? |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Quote: Maybe the heart of the matter is: why go around badmouthing editors of the past (with obviously limited features), why reveal how intolerant & limited your taste is, why not just stick to the editors you like and make the music you like :)
Exactly! |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3053 |
Quote: Surprisingly not every Cane & DOS tune was composed in the sosperec editor.... :)
I guess they used Chubrocker. It's easy to recognize these songs since the quality of the instruments is (in comparison to sosperec) quite low. :P
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Anyway, polished sounds are a MUST for me.
I attached here 3 examples to show what can be done with GOOD hardrestart:
Example1:
- Listen to the 'polished' drums. (Uses hardrestart)
- Arpeggios doesn't use hardrestart
Example2:
- Every instrument uses hardrestart
Example2:
- For the bass sound I disabled the whole hardrestart.
http://rapidshare.de/files/25726672/examples.rar.html
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@jeff
Yes I agree! A combination of both makes it sound cool! (no hardrestart & hardrestart)
However, it's nothing special to do cool musics without hardrestart. (bug free)
The only thing to remember: Careful usage of ADSR values. :)
I doubt any musician here will be interested. *Your music is what defines you...* opinions, definitions, claims and complaints are irrelevant. |
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Bamu®
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@creamd
Feel free to have doubts... :P |
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160 |
@Laxity: now I think I understand one more of the methods listed in ATMDS docs:
T minus 2 (or more?): gate off
T minus 1: ADSR to $0F0F, oscillator reset if needed
T minus 0: Init note
According to my experiments this is a quite forgiving HR that lets one use full sustain, write order doesn't really matter, and it never bugs horribly. On the flipside, attack of new note may vary according to the previous note's ADSR setting.
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Bamu®
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Registered: May 2005
Posts: 1332 |
Quote: @Laxity: now I think I understand one more of the methods listed in ATMDS docs:
T minus 2 (or more?): gate off
T minus 1: ADSR to $0F0F, oscillator reset if needed
T minus 0: Init note
According to my experiments this is a quite forgiving HR that lets one use full sustain, write order doesn't really matter, and it never bugs horribly. On the flipside, attack of new note may vary according to the previous note's ADSR setting.
Hmmm? ADSR to $0F0F ??? Doesn't this produce bad/choppy restart?
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@Cadaver
Yes, the sosperec is DUR. based. I have no clue why, but somehow I like it. Anyway, composing music with DUR. cmd's isn't fun. :I |
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160 |
@Nata: It's not the same as if you put $0F0F to GT's HR ADSR parameter. The timing of the frames is different, and there's no gated on silent first frame (wave $09). |
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Bamu®
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Quote: @Nata: It's not the same as if you put $0F0F to GT's HR ADSR parameter. The timing of the frames is different, and there's no gated on silent first frame (wave $09).
Ahaaa! Ok! :) |
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Bamu®
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@cadaver
How $0F0F will sound (not in GT)?
I THINK it doesn't produce a *quality* HR... or maybe? Cadaver?
Which editors use $0F0F ?
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11362 |
all methods have their ups and downs. there isnt THE hardrestart. |
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cadaver
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1160 |
$0F0F is in DMC4 I think.
We can define "the" hardrestart as what is pleasing to nata. ;)
But yeah, "quality" hardrestart doesn't quite fit when the screen is depicting sodomy or other such acts ;) Maybe when/if there are robots performing it, but even then it's a stretch.. |
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