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2024-12-09 23:04

Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2980

Release id #248155 : Hiking Home for Christmas

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2024-12-14 12:09

Higgie

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 127

@Oswald:
It would have been sufficient if you had simply posted the text. That wouldn't have made your post any more relevant, but it would have cost us a little less data volume. ;)
(I sometimes long for the days of the old BBS networks, where users who posted too much binary data were regularly banned.) :-D

2024-12-14 12:17

4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285

@CopAss:

Yes, we are now living in the post truth world. The truth is deliberately being obfuscated by noise. Sadly, some people mistake this sabotage of truth for freedom. Some of them even imagine they will extract some petty benefit from this development.

2024-12-14 12:25

4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285

@Higgie:
I wonder how he got to 4 exclamation marks. Historically, there was one. Then, there’s three of them if you really want to express yelling. But four? Now if that’s not art, I don’t know what is. ;-) No, really, I guess that’s how some people see art(work). Screw culture, screw history, screw education, just hit the keyboard randomly and the machine will regurgitate all that art history into a piece of art, and I’m the author.

2024-12-14 13:00

CopAss

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 21

Quoting 4gentE

Screw culture, screw history, screw education, just hit the keyboard randomly and the machine will regurgitate all that art history into a piece of art, and I’m the author.

some idiots try to protect it "AI art", then they don't understand why it's a problem!:D
https://www.instagram.com/p/C9KumtJADzT/

2024-12-14 15:10

Sander

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 496

Quote:

Honestly i give a proper fuck from where the motive or the work originates. (edit, you forgot the word ‘don’t’)
For me what counts is if the result is pleasing.

Looking at the csdb charts, this is the general consensus in the demoscene.

As a pixel artist, I do care about the origins and processes. This is how I value c64 pixel art. And why I consider transparency crucial to value c64 pixel art.

And I do think transparency should ALWAYS be given, not just in pixel art compos. We also have CSDB charts, which some may wave off as unimportant.. Yet i've seen the ugliest things happen, for some 'elite' groups/people to keep a top spot. Stay true to yourselves guys ;)

I wonder how do YOU rate C64 pixel art?

2024-12-14 15:24

4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285

Since I rarely rate gfx at CSDb, I don't have an elaborate method. But I will say this.

Producing, rating and appreciating artwork has some real metrics, just like rating cracks. Or fan heaters. Some things work, some don’t. It’s not all “artistic impression”, magic and “feeling”, there’s actual science. To a point, producing artwork is a craft not unlike any other craft. So I’ll be allowing myself to share my thoughts on this here artwork without going into actual “art” territory, just the craft. By no means is my intention to push my views on anyone, I just want to explain myself and the way I observe artwork. Open the pic, read this, and decide for yourself if I make sense or not. And, please do forgive me for the length of this “review”.

Lighting and atmosphere are great. Nice, lush aurora-ish setting. Pixelling is OK. This “diptych” idea is getting old quickly and it was not that great in the first place. And shouldn’t that “deer” be further in the distance to make it kinda work in the first place? Two pics without a clear border, pretending to be in the same space but in distorted proportions (collaged in un-creative and un-interesting way that is). Deers are exquisite, ellegant creatures, this is a deformed evil boar or at best a bull with antlers. You don’t have to be accurate, but you gotta get the essence right. And a bunny? What? Xmas bunny? Did the author mix up his cliches? Is the demoscene so embarassingly superficial that you can take easter stuff and shove it into xmas? And they won’t notice? Reminds me of how Chinese ebay sellers used to wish me “happy easter” at Xmas time or vice versa all the time, because they just didn’t know, they just wanted to play nice and sell. Someone told them those crazy rich europeans like to be sweettalked. So, this is the general feeling I get. CK just wants to play nice and sell. And it’s OK. It’s a nice motive for holiday wrapping paper from China. But all that 10s. C’mon.

Also, the pic raises some questions, and doesn’t answer them, which is an ambiguous thing. Like, why is the bunny a humanoid biped, while the deer is not? Also why is the bunny in one style and the deer in another? On the other hand, some unanswered questions are not ambiguous nor ambivalent. Like why crop "the deer" (oh God having to call it a deer almost hurts) just above the hooves? OK, I understand not everybody can “feel” their way to a decent framing. But "don't cut off fists and feet" is surely mentioned at the very beginning in every "photography for housewives" type thriftstore book.

I think the pic would actually look & feel better without that "deer". Having a classic fore-mid-back dynamic. It would make for so much more interesting framing. The bunny about to leave the frame to the right and giving one last look over the shoulder. Now THAT would be visual "storytelling". This? Nah.

I spoke to a friend about this pic. He goes: "But why don't the 2 subjects communicate? He (author) always misses that opportunity when doing these 2 subject pics." Then he goes on and answers himself: "Oh, I see, when you take and collage readymade objects, you can't be that flexible with positions/figures/poses."

And this is a near 10 picture. So, you see, to me personally, all this AI/wirejob racket is just the top of the iceberg in this case.

2024-12-14 16:16

Peacemaker

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 275

2024-12-14 16:19

4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285

Wow. You win. 👏

2024-12-14 16:23

4gentE

Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285

Try wrapping your minds around this. These are the facts. A year ago, in a discussion with similar theme to this one here, it's been said and repeated that the gfx artists initiative is "chasing people away". Me, "being on their side", got accused of the same. A year has passed. I see same people discussing. Peacemaker is here. Oswald is here. A whole bunch of other old coders (sorry for not giving each of you a shout out by name) are here. Just like last year. You know who is not here? The Sarge is not here. Electric is not here. Deev is not here. CreaMD is not here. Spider-j is not here. OK, Sander just got back thank god. So, yes, you guys are right that people "get chased away". But you're the ones doing the chasing. Newbies are not chased away, look how Critikill came fresh to make jolly good fun of us all. It seems that top gfx artists are in fact getting chased away, along with a bunch of others. Don't you wiseguy coders regret that? Making top gfx artists shut up about gfx?

2024-12-14 16:29

CopAss

Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 21

how I vote:
#1 composition: most important, if it's bad then the picture won't interest me. the essence of a good composition is to generate emotions.
if it's cliché then I won't interest.
I don't look at the implementation at this time.
#2 implementation: what gets to this point will definitely not be under 6 points.
here I look at the colors, the technique.

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