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Slartibartfast
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** Link removed by CSDb staff due to copyright. Please do not provide download links to this **
Well, there has been a few of these notices today, on certain Protovision releases that have been cracked and released by some people on CSDb.
Cracking has always been a large part of the scene, arguably the biggest and also what has ultimately ensured the scene to exist today.
If it weren't for cracking, piracy if you will, many games simply wouldn't be available on the web today. The C64dtv wouldn't have much of a lineup, all the games on it were cracks from the scene.
Now this issue has come to CSDb again, over old releases of Protovision games. Download links removed, to files which are definitely a part of the scene.
I can understand the policy on this, it's a way to protect CSDb against legal action. Other sites, for instance GB64, have tackled this by not hosting the files and just providing links to them.
But CSDb won't allow even that, if someone has an issue with their copyrighted work being available, the links will be removed. Even links provided by the user in their comment to the entry, will be censored and removed.
There is nothing regarding this policy in the CSDb FAQ, yet there is this disclaimer:
"Who's responsible for this?
We cannot take responsibility for the content of this database as all information is submitted by users."
So, that says straight out that CSDb is not responsible for the content.
It can be said that this is a way to protect CSDb in future, but from whom exactly? Can anyone honestly see Chronosoft or Protovision sueing anyone? Or if this is a measure to protect CSDb, could it go further and remove all cracks from the site?
On the other hand, CSDb are just trying to protect themselves, from Protovision apparently. Should we take the old debate over piracy directly to Protovision? As sceners themselves, they should know better than to be taking on this issue against sceners. Don't we all know by now that the people who would download these cracks, are not the same people that would buy it? That some of the people that get the game for free may even consider buying it at a later point?
One of the Protovision founders was a cracker himself, other members have been crackers, swappers or undoubtedly recipients of pirated software themselves.
This seemed to start with Macgyver altering a release of a PTV game here yesterday. A member of Protovision and also a CSDb admin. He was a swapper in the past.
Is this censorship really necessary? Do Protovision really think they would lose sales of these games, does CSDb really think there is any threat of legalities from an admin of this site?
This is an issue that strikes deep with many in the scene, and this site is an essential part of the scene today.
Surely there must be a better way to deal with this.
So let's discuss it here rather than in comments on these censored releases ;) |
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MacGyver
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Quote: have you checked macgyvers profile here?
centric+4/flt orginal supply: macgyver
spitting in the face of reflex is ok, or was he just young and naive? i'm sure you can think of an excuse to defend his actions, since that seems to be your main activity here at the moment
Indeed, I supplied this one. And as you can see, I don't even try to hide it. Even added that myself.
The original was bugged like hell (the loader didn't work). And I wanted to be able to PLAY the game I bought.
It was Quiss' last work on the C64 in any case.
But just keep on writing things you know shit about. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1927 |
Wonder if it's worth the various fluids you can be covered with, Mac.
Rather go and answer the other things people here mentioned, coward.
l8r
Count Zero/CyberpunX/SCS*TRC |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202 |
what's there to know? we figured out by now that you're a hypocrite, and that pretty much settles it.
interesting how you didn't even try to justify the whole thing this thread is about though. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3054 |
Quote: have you checked macgyvers profile here?
centric+4/flt orginal supply: macgyver
spitting in the face of reflex is ok, or was he just young and naive? i'm sure you can think of an excuse to defend his actions, since that seems to be your main activity here at the moment
Well... what a nice example of argumentation between two advocatus diaboli.. I think I should add one more irritating thing to my list in previous post. Hollowman and his killing arguments. ;-))) |
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MacGyver
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 149 |
@ Andreas: Why should I waste my time with explaining what is obvious? But for you it's normal to fuck around with other people's work, I know!
@ Björn: Wow, what an impressive statement! *cough*
For those who never heard of me: Why not checking who maintains the news site which you spam with your "Another new forum" posts?
Also take a look at the CSDb stats who put some content to this DB. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1570 |
MacGyver,
This was your chance to set things straight and explain your actions regarding the deletions etc.
Instead of this you lower yourself to a non-admin worthy level by throwing mud/shit at respected sceners who actually have a point, bro.
2 of 3 lives left. Get Ready...
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http://www.deco-design.com/scl |
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Seven
Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 202 |
You're just a poor little wannabe with too much free time on his hands, lack of better things to do aswell as the delusion, that adding information noone really needs and posting a bit of news here or there will grant you the scene recognition you're apparently so desperately searching for.
Here's the newsflash for you:
Pissing off members of SCS*TRC, a group where each and every single member has contributed more to the scene than the entire Protovision staff combined, is not gonna help you.
Unless "moron of the decade" is what you're aiming for. |
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carlsson
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 41 |
CreaMD wrote: "One thing is getting credits/points for cracking achievments, other things is giving links to cracks of currently distributed games here."
Does that also mean that someone adding a crack of a freely distributable game (incl. MiniGame and Crap Game) in the future will get the download links etc censored, or is the keep clean regulation only effective on commercial material? :-/ |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3054 |
Quote: MacGyver,
This was your chance to set things straight and explain your actions regarding the deletions etc.
Instead of this you lower yourself to a non-admin worthy level by throwing mud/shit at respected sceners who actually have a point, bro.
2 of 3 lives left. Get Ready...
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-= Silicon Ltd. =-
http://www.deco-design.com/scl
Thanx for giving me chance to tell something to MacGyver, Scout. I agree with you. It seems that only think MacGyver can do now is to accept that some of the accusations are justified. And then gently ask people to respect the movement PTV tries to do to protect their games. Some compromise: allowing to add crack versions of the game, but not the link. Could maybe satisfy demands from both sides.
And how about me, I asked for my friends in PTV? Especially JTR who is a great dude and practically the leader of this group? JTR is a cool dode, believe me. So pretty please give'em chance.
This is my very last entry in this debate for today and ever. Have a nice nite everyobody.
Roman |
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MacGyver
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Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 149 |
Which games did SCS*TRC code? |
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