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2006-07-11 12:55
Bamu®
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Stupid Hardrestart...

A question to all msx-player coders.

Why 99% of all players have a completely worse hardrestart???
I only know a few (not more than 5) which owns a really HARD = good sound-restart.
With every other player it's impossible to create modern/up-to-date instruments.

I think there are some nice editors (with nice interfaces) out there, but the completely outdated hardrestart destroys everything. :(

So, any explanation for this?
 
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2006-07-14 15:18
Bamu®
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... and therefore many, many, many prefer DMC5 :)
2006-07-14 15:28
cadaver

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... after they disable hardrestart entirely? According to some it's unusable :)

Or, if used properly, it seems to sound just like JCH. So we have only concluded that JCH & DMC5 have a nata-approved HR, and if you like that then you should use these editors :)
2006-07-14 16:32
DRAX

Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 225
Hardrestart is only when used properly. Personally I grew tired of using hardrestart therefore I use it less than before. Also not using hardrestart sometimes give a more organic and less stiff sound - which I like. For me it is not about hardrestart or not but about using the player to create the music you like. Focusing too much on technical details sometimes kills the music.
2006-07-14 17:00
Zyron

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2381
I agree totally with the above statement.
2006-07-14 17:23
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11362
indeed. ROCK'N'ROLL!!!!
2006-07-14 19:54
Tch
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Did Jeroen Tel use a lot of HardRestart stuff?
If not,it´s just a minor detail,nothing more..
2006-07-14 20:17
cadaver

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Sometimes, for example Hawkeye has HR, Turbo Outrun / Outrun Europa tunes don't. It seems he, like Hubbard, gravitated from using HR to not using: careful ADSR settings and long gateoff times actually achieve sharper attack.
2006-07-14 20:23
Tch
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Thank you Cadaver! 8)
Seems to me that HR is an option,not a necessity. ;)
2006-07-14 20:27
cadaver

Registered: Feb 2002
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Though, notice that this attack without HR, when working nicely, is actually the same what nata expects from a JCH-like HR :)
2006-07-14 20:41
Tch
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Aah,I see..
@Nata,keep playing around!
Your last collection was pretty good,but there is more to learn! ;)
Keep´em coming! 8)
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