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2021-01-04 21:33
vincenzo

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 79
The C64 Grand Tour Challenge

Hey everyone,

I wanted a new year challenge for 2021. The idea is to compose 1 music per each month of the year. Yeah, it's nothing special, right?
So to spice it up, each month I'm going to use a different editor/player.
Now it sounds like some nice fun that I don't want to keep for myself only.
Composers, join me!

List of editors and rules to follow:

Jan: GMC V2 (GMC V2 (Unfinished))
Feb: SID Factory 2 (PC) (https://blog.chordian.net/sf2/ build 20200911)
Mar: Ninja Tracker 2.04 (C64) (NinjaTracker V2.04)
Apr: Defmon (C64) (defMON V20201008)
May: Goat Tracker 2.75 (PC) (GoatTracker V2.75)
Jun: DMC 7 (C64) (DMC 7.0)
Jul: Virtuoso 1.02 (C64) (Virtuoso V1.02)
Aug: X-SID (C64) (X-SID)
Sep: Cheesecutter 2.9.0 (PC) (CheeseCutter 2.9.0)
Oct: Sosperec 1.0 (C64) (Sosperec Editor V1.0)
Nov: SDI 2.17 (C64) (SID Duzz' It V2.1.7)
Dec: SID-Wizard 1.8 (C64) (SID-Wizard V1.8)

Rules:
- Use the linked version of the actual editor only (compatibility)
- 1 SID, 1x speed only
- Track length: please keep it within the usual limits. Not too short, not too long, make it as long as a regular composition would be.
- 1 track per month with the specified tool
- If the editor saves to a format where player is included, use address $1000
- Deadline: last day of the actual month, at midnight
- Send your projectfiles to: strayboom()gmail()com

I don't plan voting, this supposed to be a motivational-fun-self-challenge only. Do it for your own good or don't do it at all. Still, there will be a progress bar with the completed entries.
If there's enough tracks, I'll make a compilation in a form of musicdisk or music mix, etc.
There might be a huuuuuge - or small - C64 musicdisk release of all tracks at the end of the year/early next year. We'll see.

Sincerely,
vincenzo /Lethargy^Singular^SIDRIP^Rebels^Molecoola
 
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2022-03-03 20:38
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11152
Should rather fix the firmware than emufixing perfectly working C64 stuff
2022-03-03 20:41
vincenzo

Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 79
I guess, you should tell it to Gideon...? Looks like there's not much chance that he'll ever work on it anymore. So best option is still to fix Sparkle.
2022-03-03 21:11
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11152
No. You should report a bug if you care. Emufixing only makes people not fixing bugs. Stop it, please.
2022-03-03 21:17
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855
Quoting Groepaz
No. You should report a bug if you care. Emufixing only makes people not fixing bugs. Stop it, please.
Don't be a nag. 1541U1 is at end of life and not supported any more. This in itself is a sucky move and should be considered by anyone thinking about purchasing from there (again).
The firmware still cannot be expected to be (officially) fixed, so the better option (and nicer to the users) is to work around the issue in software.

1541U2, different story.
2022-03-03 21:50
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11152
You _can_ fix the firmware. Ports of the 2.x firmware exist. That noone gives a shit is the problem.

And no, some emu thing being EOL and no more supported is no excuse. *EVERY* emu thing will be at some point. You'll be emufixing forever, and encourage ppl to not fix emulators. Please don't.
2022-03-03 22:17
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855
Quoting Groepaz
You _can_ fix the firmware. Ports of the 2.x firmware exist. That noone gives a shit is the problem.
From Release id #189130 : Krill's Loader, Repository Version 184

Quoting Count Zero
tried the testloader from the archive with 1541U1 and firmwares 1.72beta (WVL) and 2.6d from https://www.obliterator918.com/1541-ultimate-firmware/ dating 2013.

Both show the failure.

Anybody aware of more recent U1 versions to try?
Can you link a firmware version that works, preferably with all mentioned loaders? :)
2022-03-03 22:23
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11152
How does it matter? I'm not even looking, i have working emu thing :)

Instead of emufixing for ancient broken stuff, you should rather break the current stuff - so it gets fixed eventually.
2022-03-03 22:42
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2855
Well, i still keep seeing that "buggy firmware" nag message in recent demo compos. =)
2022-03-03 23:16
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11152
Sure. but while this is funny, it doesnt push ppl to fix anything.
2022-03-04 06:35
Sparta

Registered: Feb 2017
Posts: 40
I agree with Groepaz. We shouldn't (and shouldn't be expected to) emufix our loaders. In reality, however, people expect everything to work on their old or newer hardware because others work too. If not, then it must be a "loader issue" and they post lengthy comments under the affected release (and then ignore PMs requesting specifics about the "issue"). Others of course are more willing to help. :)

From my point of view, I want people to try and use my loader so I can't leave these issues unhandled, otherwise all people would remember is "ah, that's the loader that failed in that prod..." So I have no choice but to retrofit it to please as many users as possible. Fixing the buggy firmware is way beyond my skills. On the other hand, in this specific case, replacing a single unintended opcode in the drive code which was only left there as an oversight on my part was not a big deal. The loader works either way, so I really don't mind, especially because all previous versions of Sparkle had it this way. :)
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