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mankeli
Registered: Oct 2010
Posts: 146 |
Release id #247799 : Bowhunter
"I can honestly say that all these pixels has been carefully selected" - Why say this when it obviously looks like it's not the case? |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
I should think that party orgas would want to populate their gfx compo with quality entries, not just any entries, right?
Now, observe gfx compo at ZOO party for example. Always tons of high quality gfx. Usually more high quality entries than just any entries of any quality elswhere. No cheap wirejobs or dubious AIjobs in sight. So one would think this is the way to attract top talent. Perhaps this is a better strategy than populating compo with sub-par entries.
T64 and Mysdata being on the same weekend didn't help this situation with lack of entries either. Well, unless you're The Sarge that is, who entered both parties with top pics.
And orgas, whatever you do, please listen to what gfx artists themselves have to say. Not coders, not musicians, not compulsive besserwissers, and certainly not bored ranters like me. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2980 |
But... how did it end up at #3, displacing 4... arguably better, but pretty surely more creative entries? :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:No cheap wirejobs or dubious AIjobs in sight.
So decent wirejobs and kickass AIjobs are fine - right? |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
Posts: 337 |
Quote: Quote:No cheap wirejobs or dubious AIjobs in sight.
So decent wirejobs and kickass AIjobs are fine - right?
Aren't all wirejobs cheap, and all AIjobs dubious? |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 369 |
Source -> Convert -> Target
Source can be any picture (even own material)
Converting without any valueable effort is meh in any case.
But on the top of all, i would like to see used references, before some other people notice ... .. . it's always a bad taste then, somehow. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11386 |
Quote:Aren't all wirejobs cheap, and all AIjobs dubious?
Not to me. I have seen great converted pictures, and fascinating AI generated stuff. The whole discussion reminds me of "only lamers use crossassemblers" (c) Graham 1996 |
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Peacemaker
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 275 |
Quoting Raistlin he seemed hellbent on trying to get certain graphicians to quit the scene with his retort..
This! |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote:he seemed hellbent on trying to get certain graphicians to quit the scene with his retort..
I understand this is troublesome, but bringing it here like this, all intriguey, is a little… well, you know…
In answer, to play from the same intriguey book, I’ll say that there’s one voice here in this thread that does one helluva job (I’d say “hellbent” if this voice had enough coherence) to push a certain top dawg graphician quit the scene. And it’s working, as we speak, bit by bit. Tipping the scales further in direction that was already there.
Plus, y’all already forgot “gaslighters”? |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote:So decent wirejobs and kickass AIjobs are fine - right?
Of course. Perhaps, in this very compo. ;) |
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wil
Registered: Jan 2019
Posts: 62 |
In a recent talk about the retro scene to students, I had to explain why certain PETSCII images are considered beautiful, as the students didn’t get what makes these blocky graphics special. To us, they are beautiful (at least the good ones), even though they can never reach the level of detail of a photograph or a hires true color image. The appeal lies in the skill required to express oneself through PETSCII. This is why we perceive them as beautiful. Denis Dutton’s TED2010 talk, A Darwinian Theory of Beauty, touches on this idea. In one part, he explains that we consider something beautiful when it is hard to achieve.
For the bowhunter, this would be a beautiful picture comparing to 1980s standards. Compare to other images with photos as reference, Strip Poker comes to my mind here, sorry for the NSFW mentioning. However, today it is fairly easy to produce similar images using a reference image and a converter program. This ease of production diminishes their beauty and desirability in our eyes, so the Bowhunter is not a beautiful picture. But reading about Magnar's efforts to make the picture makes it again somewhat beautiful.
The same principle applies to AI. A few years ago, someone who could create an appealing image using pure algorithms and coding would be celebrated. Nowadays, someone who simply enters a prompt, presses download, and converts the result is cheered for.
As for the conference jury: I wouldn’t blame them. The rules stated that copies were not allowed, so they would assume the rules were followed. The jury, likely consisting of a majority of heterosexual men, has found that picture of a bowhunter interesting, probably not even noticing the problem with the bowstring. So it got a good result.
Art and beauty are relative. Let’s relax about it. |
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