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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4731 |
Release id #248202 : AIrrested
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Fungus
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 686 |
Agent...
The same stuff happens in music all the time when new tech comes. It's just dumb to complain about the tech itself, complain about the individuals who misuse the tech.
In the 70's music was gonna die because of synths, then it was going to die because of protools, then autotune, and beat detective and a bunch of other tech that keeps coming like it or not. Yes sometimes it is abused or becomes trendy, but its also powerful and useful in the right hands.
You can use and train AI on your OWN ART, with your OWN VOICE, you're all being technophobes. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
@Fungus:
We’re slightly offtopic and I know it.
I hear you. All that is cool. It’s not that I think AI will destroy music or artwork. It will instead destroy the livelihoods of people doing creative work. It will exchange those people with less talented people. And this is not misuse of this technology, it’s its main purpose. To drive the price of creative work down. To serve executives to get a better stranglehold on the creatives. You mentioned synths. Synths got used by musicians, not executives and data-analysts. I’m not merely speculating of this destruction, 2 of my proffessional acquaintances already fell victims to this. In fact, one of them is also a friend. The first one lost a newspaper caricature gig to a guy that uses AI. The guy he lost the gig to is a coder and data analyst who never held a pencil or charcoal in his hand. The other one walked over to the dark side, and landed a gig with the help of AI by offering the client 100+ crappy solutions, beating an honest guy who offered 3 pretty great handcrafted ones. So, we can philosophize from high above all we want, but people are already suffering from this sh*t. I see no reason to let it wreak havoc in our money free little community. |
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Higgie
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 127 |
@4gentE @Fungus
I have also already experienced effects on people I know. :(
And I don't even want to bring up the question of the impact of generative AI use on our environment.
(all doubters of man-made climate change should please shut up!) |
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wil
Registered: Jan 2019
Posts: 62 |
Congratulations, Hedning, enjoy the time! |
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wil
Registered: Jan 2019
Posts: 62 |
Quote: @Fungus:
We’re slightly offtopic and I know it.
I hear you. All that is cool. It’s not that I think AI will destroy music or artwork. It will instead destroy the livelihoods of people doing creative work. It will exchange those people with less talented people. And this is not misuse of this technology, it’s its main purpose. To drive the price of creative work down. To serve executives to get a better stranglehold on the creatives. You mentioned synths. Synths got used by musicians, not executives and data-analysts. I’m not merely speculating of this destruction, 2 of my proffessional acquaintances already fell victims to this. In fact, one of them is also a friend. The first one lost a newspaper caricature gig to a guy that uses AI. The guy he lost the gig to is a coder and data analyst who never held a pencil or charcoal in his hand. The other one walked over to the dark side, and landed a gig with the help of AI by offering the client 100+ crappy solutions, beating an honest guy who offered 3 pretty great handcrafted ones. So, we can philosophize from high above all we want, but people are already suffering from this sh*t. I see no reason to let it wreak havoc in our money free little community.
I don't doubt that AI will have a disruptive effect on many creative (and probably almost all other) jobs. You examples show that this is already happening and I sympathize with your friends facing this challenge.
But I think that the development and use of AI cannot be stopped, regardless of our efforts on calling out suspected AI art or protecting our servers from being scraped. History has shown that technological advancement, once created finds its way.
That said, and trying hard to not sound too neoliberal here, I think that such disruptions also bring chances and opportunities coming up, but we have to adapt.
Also AI does not care what we think about it. But an unfortunate artist, who is accused of doing something wrong will have a hard time independent of the fact if the cause is real or not. So let's be nice to our artists (and everyone else). |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 680 |
I’ve seen AI destroy almost an entire industry - concept art. I say “almost” because, for now, they’re finding alternate work. But these guys made concept work for big movies (some of the biggest, including Marvel’s movies). Now? Others working on the movies, such as the creative director, can simply play around with Midjourney until they get a look that’s right for the scene they want to do. And for now these concepts are passed to 3D artists to sculpt out. Later on, the AI will take that part too of course.
I saw a movie director say that he expected one day he wouldn’t need anyone else at all to make a movie, he could do it all himself. The shock for him will be this: when that day comes, movies as we know them are dead: people at home will simply ask the AI to make a movie that they’ll like.
I don’t relish this, I think it’s disastrous. But good for such as Elon Musk perhaps - he can sit with his android girlfriend and watch whatever weird porn he can dream up a prompt for. |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 464 |
people losing jobs is altogether a separate problem.
we are not a commercial industry, we can afford to see it from a purely philosophical (if not pleasantly irrational - just like art is) standpoint. but some of you mix the two up :) |
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Hate Bush
Registered: Jul 2002
Posts: 464 |
i'd offer you my two grosze, but i'm not in the visual arts world. musicians have it slightly better, working in abstract instead of representative. so the parallels would be inaccurate. |
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CopAss
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 21 |
@raistlin: It also affected photographers, stock photography "photographers" practically disappeared. Models don't have to pay, nor do photographers. AI does it completely for free.
AI is also increasingly used in print advertising, and smaller companies have also made the switch. |
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4gentE
Registered: Mar 2021
Posts: 285 |
Quote:we are not a commercial industry
Exactly. Which is why we don't need to mess with this technology that is precisely aiming to circumvent creatives altogether, and leave only executives / producers with toys. |
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