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2021-05-21 10:06
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2218
Anonymous Downvoters / Haters

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Submitted by saulc12 [PM] on 21 May 2021
I should just point out that I am not letting anything ruin my day, I am not distressed or in tears and I do not feel the need for validation. The reason this bothers me so much is as I said already, I don't like spite or cowardice and I am not the only target, plus as I said it then makes voting (especially in things like competitions) pointless. It is not how I approach the scene and I find it disappointing and frustrating that some people do approach the scene in this way.

Thanks for everybody's input and comments though.

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Submitted by saulc12 [PM] on 21 May 2021
Chiuhino, I am not saying that I cannot be voted low for every tune I make, after all if somebody really doesn't like what I do then they don't like it, what I am saying is that it is obvious when this is just default and deliberate downvoting (and I am not the only person that has to put up with this). If the majority of votes are in the 8 to 10 range and somebody then comes along and always votes 1 or 2 this is not somebody expressing an opinion, it is just spite. As I said before, it then makes the whole voting process pointless. I accept that music can be quite divisive, but not to that extent. I don't understand why you would defend the actions of shit-posters and trolls.

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Submitted by iAN CooG [PM] on 21 May 2021
> ban anonymous votes

you have no idea how many so called "friends" would be finally revealed to be actually back-stabbers if that would happen and all anonym votes became public :D
I was a mod in here and I could see the voters even if set to anonym ;)
All I have to add is: don't let a SINGLE low voter ruin your day, everyone in here sooner or later will get his own personal "hater" because the system allows it, but the majority of positive votes should compensate the existance of a single idiot who doesn't have the guts to tell you what he thinks in your face of you or your releases.

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Submitted by Steel [PM] on 21 May 2021
Saul i really love this and you shouldn't care about that single downvote hater. haters gonna hate who cares ;) take my 10

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Submitted by chuinho [PM] on 21 May 2021
Saul, but what you say is basically: "i can't be voted low for every tune i make" - i think you can, and this possibility applies to absolutely everyone, even LMan or Linus. there is no objective value of what we do and each musician has his/her own style, which may be - for individual cases - annoying, hence the downvotes.

still, i really understand your sentiment - if i wasn't so much a relativist, i'd post comments very similar to yours ;)

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Submitted by SKR [PM] on 21 May 2021
If I could change only one thing about csdb, it would be to ban anonymous votes ... but well, that topic has been discussed many times.

@saulc: I think that as an artist you shouldn't even care at all about (down)votings, or even make your contributions to csdb dependent on them.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some manage to express their opinion honestly, others dont. The usual downvotes seem to come from people that are too bitter, manipulative or poisonously ambitious to be able to make an appreciative judgment about other's work at all.

Keep up your work and keep posting your stuff to CSDB. I would not want to miss any of it, just due to some lame downvoting.

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Submitted by saulc12 [PM] on 21 May 2021
I don’t have any tears, I am just annoyed. I stayed away from CSDB for a year because I got annoyed about this stuff before, and I now regret coming back on, because absolutely nothing has changed. I said it before that this kind of stuff brings out the worst in me and I don’t want to be in that position.

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Submitted by Stabile Altbauten [PM] on 21 May 2021
Saul I get also low Votes but it do not matter because i know what is right Inside of Myself . No Reason for Tears.! Let us become a group we can become Low Voted People from CSdB how sounds that Saul ? Put a smiley on your face Yours Micha

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Submitted by saulc12 [PM] on 20 May 2021
Chuinho, somebody downvoting every single thing that you post is not in any way about whether they like the music or not; it is shit-posting and trolling and it makes any voting in competitions or otherwise on here absolutely fucking pointless. What’s more it is always anonymous and the fuckers who do it never post a corresponding comment with any critique or explanation as that would mean that they outed themselves. Funnily enough I don’t care whether I win or lose, I just can’t abide spite or cowardice.

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Submitted by chuinho [PM] on 20 May 2021
Saul, the overall compo result will NOT be calculated basing solely on csdb votes.
btw. countless times i was disappointed with what i could describe as 'downvoting', but i suppose it's just people not liking my music at all. it kills motivation and does damage to self-esteem, but we're in the most abstract of arts, in which anyone can vote low without giving an objective reason.

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Submitted by Matt [PM] on 20 May 2021
Initially I wanted to say that you shouldn't worry too hard about the downvoters but to be honest I would just be as pissed off as you are.
What the fuck people!
Great tune by the way.

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Submitted by Joe [PM] on 20 May 2021
Lovely tune!

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Submitted by theK [PM] on 20 May 2021
Really nice tune!
Sad to see the behavior from some people. :-/

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Submitted by Oswald [PM] on 20 May 2021
agree with saul, you should be ashamed guys. disgusting what you do.

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Submitted by saulc12 [PM] on 20 May 2021
I see the down voters are in again, just so one again there’s no fucking point in me ever entering into any competition on here because some spiteful twats will vote down every time, and they cottoned on to the fact that just voting one has no impact, so that’s me not posting on CSDB any more. Utterly fucking pointless.
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2021-05-21 12:38
Adam

Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 323
> I see the down voters are in again
> I do not feel the need for validation
hrmmmmm

> It is not how I approach the scene and I find it disappointing and frustrating that some people do approach the scene in this way

people vote how they like. be thankful you didn't get lower, saul. it's currently at 9.1. going by the stats, i can't see what the fuss is about. it's not like it got hammered with 20 votes for 3 etc.
2021-05-21 12:43
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335
Ok, that's it....

I'm more than certain 99% of downvotes for Saul are from single MSL guy. I don't want to disclose handle as it might have too big personal consequences from my perspective. I cannot verify all of them as I'm not a mod here but some cases ('83 compo) are IMHO certain. I just want to say I'm personally disgusted and fed up with this thing going on, and I believe the rest of the MSL also don't condone it in any way, being in general positive bunch of guys who really appreciate all art here. I urge mods to take some definitive stance on it.
2021-05-21 12:51
Linus

Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 639
What Jammer said!
2021-05-21 12:54
psych

Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 141
What Jammer and Linus said!
2021-05-21 12:54
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350
It's funny to see this discussion popping up again and again :)

Votes being anonymous is the problem? Really? Here is what will happen when votes will be all public:
- a lot of people will stop voting alltogether. Including some of the most active voters
- a lot of people will, by peer preassure, vote higher than they want, just to not hurt someones feelings

as a result, the votes will be even more useless than they are today.

And every time i see someone whining about the evil downvoters, he gets a downvote from me, because i am evil and i like to see the drama about something that is completely irrelevant to any half sane human being.

Release more, vote less. Don't let shit music spoil your day. Or anyones opinion about shit music. Or anyones babble about anyones votes about anyones shit music.

Welcome Ryker! My condolences :)

PS: the sane thing to do would be removing the ability to see the vote statistics completely. It serves no other purpose than creating drama and anger, and it is the one effective source for placing down- and upvotes, malicious and strategic nature. once its gone, all voting drama is gone.
2021-05-21 13:23
F7sus4

Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 117
Quote:
haters might rather wank a lot when they see they manage to get on people's nerves than stop hating.


Not really. It's a choice between passively accepting the damage whenever it's done (anonymity) and preventing the damage from being done (transparency). Some people will walk miles to do their part solely out of spite.

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a lot of people will, by peer preassure, vote higher than they want, just to not hurt someones feelings


That's assumption, while hatevotes are fact. And it's still a pretty petty reason considering the amount of damage getting done. In Saul's case, it's a singular vote, but swarming (especially from group of closely related friends) was also a case. Which wouldn't be one, if it was obvious who caused it.

All reasons provided to keep status quo fall into apologetism in one way or another.
2021-05-21 13:24
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335
It's not about hurting feelings - some actions are purely deliberate and it's like letting maniac killer loose and calmly eating one's dinner, knowing this fact all the time. No, just no.
2021-05-21 13:25
Mibri

Registered: Feb 2018
Posts: 214
Quote: To me, comments are more valuable (way more) than a vote.

Just get rid of the whole voting system on here. This discussion has been boring since Yoko TV's 1-votes and death threats.


I think this is a really good shout. I would like to see CSDb function as a database and a forum for comments/discussion - since it is great at being these things - but leaving voting to demoparties (online-only compos can use their own external voting systems, like what we had with the '83 compo, etc). Yes, sometimes I vote on releases on here, but I don't think I would miss having the ability to do so if it were taken away. :)
2021-05-21 13:31
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11350
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It's not about hurting feelings - some actions are purely deliberate and it's like letting maniac killer loose and calmly eating one's dinner, knowing this fact all the time. No, just no.

I'd dare to say the same is true for up- and downvoting. Its quite (and i mean QUITE) obvious in a lot of mediocre so-so entries, which get 10s and 9s from the crowd. At the end, the so called up- and downvotes cancel out each other.

Saul got a very good 8.9 score. If ppl didnt know the vote stats, there'd be zero reason to complain. Remove this bullshit feature, problem solved.
2021-05-21 13:36
Jammer

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335
It's quite easy to distinguish honest score from being arse with self-esteem complexes - especially when you see how votes are generally distributed. I'm very sugar-biased with scale myself but I still can recognize that somebody voting much lower than me did it with merit. I vote high because I just learnt to appreciate certain aspects of seemingly unpopular things over the years.
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