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2020-01-20 16:20
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2847
Shortest code for stable raster timer setup

While working on my ICC 2019 4K entry (now postponed to ICC 2020, but i hope it'll be worth the wait), i came up with this (14 bytes):
initstabilise   lda $d012
                ldx #10          ; 2
-               dex              ;   (10 * 5) + 4
                bpl -            ; 54
                nop              ; 2
                eor $d012 - $ff,x; 5 = 63
                bne initstabilise; 7 = 70

                [...]; timer setup
The idea is to loop until the same current raster line is read at the very beginning (first cycle) and at the very end (last cycle) of a raster line, implying 0 cycles jitter.

With 63 cycles per line on PAL, the delay between the reads must be 63 cycles (and not 62), reading $d012 at cycle 0 and cycle 63 of a video frame's last line (311), which is one cycle longer due to the vertical retrace.

The downside is that effectively only one line per video frame is attempted, so the loop may take a few frames to terminate, and the worst case is somewhere just beyond 1 second.

The upside is that it always comes out at the same X raster position AND raster line (0), plus it leaves with accu = 0 and X = $ff, which can be economically re-used for further init code.

Now, is there an even shorter approach, or at least a same-size solution without the possibly-long wait drawback?
 
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2020-07-03 18:05
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5020
nice to see Quiss rising from his grave, hopefuly it means some Rfx demo is cooking :)
2020-07-03 21:40
Rastah Bar

Registered: Oct 2012
Posts: 336
A loop length of 8 does not work because sometimes you have 462 cycles?
2020-07-04 02:11
Copyfault

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 466
Quoting Rastah Bar
Quoting Copyfault


If you want to "overdo" (optimize, erm) this, let's save another 2 bytes:
* = $0faa  ; _a very nice_ address with (H+1)&1 = 0 and (H+1)&$10 = $10

0FAA   loop:  ldx #$11
0FAC          shx cont, y
0FAF   cont:  bpl loop
with start adress $0FAD (you guess the operand bytes of the SHX ; ))

with start adress $0FAD (you guess the operand bytes of the SHX ; ))

Interesting idea, but I do not completely understand it. How does the Y register get the right value?
[...]

The SHX will be SHX $0fa0,y. Then you start this with a JMP $0fad which is just an LDY #$0f. This is also the reason for that code blob to begin at $0faa.

Quoting Quiss
[...]Another amusing thing to contemplate is how this code could be placed at, say, $08xx. Preferably without messing up the basic upstart.

Hmm, sounds like a good weapon against boredom;) Speak up if you found a nice variant!

Quoting Quiss
Also, careful with the loop length. The number of CPU cycles between two badlines is 461, except when the loop's one write cycle (last cycle of SHX) sneaks into the three cycle RDY grace period. Then it's 462 ticks.
(Imagine a graph with n nodes, in which node i is connected to node (i+461)%n for 0 < i < n-1 and to (i+462)%n for i = 0. Node n-1 isn't connected to anything. You want that graph to be acyclic.)
In the range 5-20, the lengths that do work are 5, 10, 12, 16, 18 and 19. But note that in particular, length 8 (a.k.a. branching directly to the SHX) does not.
Yes, yes, it's so true! After I wrote this post, two things haunted me some hours later: 1. that branching to SHX is not possible when doing the SHX $0fa0,Y-trick, so it was confusing to start with it and writing that branch-idea after it
2. those 63 cycles do only apply for non-badlines, but your approach needs badlines badly (pun intended). So my calculation was wrong. Thanks for putting this right, with the corresponding cycle calculations included :)
2020-07-04 09:39
Perplex

Registered: Feb 2009
Posts: 254
Quoting Copyfault
0FAA   loop:  ldx #$11
0FAC          shx cont, y
0FAF   cont:  bpl loop
with start adress $0FAD (you guess the operand bytes of the SHX ; ))


Smooth, but I think you must do "SHX cont-15,y" for this to work? Otherwise there will be $AF at $0FAD.
2020-07-04 09:48
Rastah Bar

Registered: Oct 2012
Posts: 336
Quoting Copyfault

The SHX will be SHX $0fa0,y. Then you start this with a JMP $0fad which is just an LDY #$0f. This is also the reason for that code blob to begin at $0faa.

Excellent! Thanks for the explanation. I had the same problem as Perplex. The code you posted gives LDA $100F.

Quoting CopyFault
Yes, yes, it's so true! After I wrote this post, two things haunted me some hours later: 1. that branching to SHX is not possible when doing the SHX $0fa0,Y-trick, so it was confusing to start with it and writing that branch-idea after it
2. those 63 cycles do only apply for non-badlines, but your approach needs badlines badly (pun intended). So my calculation was wrong. Thanks for putting this right, with the corresponding cycle calculations included :)

461 is a prime number, so I don't understand the (a)cyclic graph explanation. Could someone explain it in a bit more depth, please?
2020-07-04 20:12
Copyfault

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 466
Quoting Rastah Bar
Quoting Copyfault

The SHX will be SHX $0fa0,y. Then you start this with a JMP $0fad which is just an LDY #$0f. This is also the reason for that code blob to begin at $0faa.

Excellent! Thanks for the explanation. I had the same problem as Perplex. The code you posted gives LDA $100F.
[...]

Ooops, this was ofcourse wrong in the post, but correct in my head. So, excuses to Perplex, Rastah Bar and all readers - though I think the optimization was obvious, more or less;)

So next task is to get his <7 bytes *ducks+runs*

CF
2020-07-04 21:39
Rastah Bar

Registered: Oct 2012
Posts: 336
Perhaps it might be possible in 6 bytes if done something like this:
*=$XX??     ;Suitable starting address we have to find.

loop:	tay
uoc:	shx cont-offset,y
cont:	bpl loop:

If cont-offset equals $XXA7, jumping to uoc+1 (like in Copyfault's modification) would execute LAX $XX first.
The problem is to find a suitable offset and starting address.

Note that the SHX instruction does not necessarily have to change the BPL instruction, but could change the byte after the BPL or perhaps even the SHX instruction itself.
This gives a bit more freedom to solve the problem. Perhaps the BPL could be a different branch instruction too.
2020-07-04 22:53
Quiss

Registered: Nov 2016
Posts: 37
Quoting Rastah Bar

461 is a prime number, so I don't understand the (a)cyclic graph explanation. Could someone explain it in a bit more depth, please?

I drew a diagram of the state transitions: https://photos.app.goo.gl/g6Ba3YzbzBe1GSq67
Maybe that clarifies things? Happy to elaborate further.
2020-07-05 10:13
Rastah Bar

Registered: Oct 2012
Posts: 336
Thanks! That makes it a lot clearer. So the possibibilty of having 462 cycles due to the W-cycle can result in a periodic loop that excludes the "golden" R-cycle that would end the loop.

I think though that the borders could make some of the other loop lengths work.

The border is 112*63 cycles = 7056 cycles.

So perhaps a loop, when it is stuck in a wrong loop on the visible screen, will be "shifted out" of that loop in the border.

This will happen for a loop length of 17, since 7056 = 415*17 + 1.
Loop lengths 11, 13, and 15 still don't seem to work.

(Btw, with longer loop lengths there may be more W-cycles in the loop.)
2020-07-05 20:39
Rastah Bar

Registered: Oct 2012
Posts: 336
Quoting Copyfault
So next task is to get his <7 bytes *ducks+runs*

Here is one example of a six bytes loop. ZP-address $39 contains the basic line number. So that one is free to choose, if we choose 17 decimal, then all registers will contain $11 after the SYS with the code:
17 SYS 14774 : REM $39B6

*=$39B4 (14772 decimal)
39B4 loop:  TAY
39B5        SHX $39A7,Y
39B8        BPL loop

The SYS 14774 jumps to LAX $39, which contains $11. Since $3A AND $11 equals $10, the SHX stores the BPL opcode at $39B8, except when the &{H+1} drops off due to DMA. Then it stores opcode $11, which is ORA (ZP),Y and the loop exits.

Surely there are other working examples, with perhaps more convenient addresses?
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