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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3186 |
Release id #154887 : Giana Sisters DS
I hate to bring this matter back again every time, but this tune is not to be credited to Fabian del Priore as the sid tune is made by LMan only, by his own admission, it's only a cover (of a cover).
It's not that we credit Harold Faltermeyer as the co author of every axel f cover, for example. |
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bepp
Registered: Jun 2010
Posts: 265 |
+1 |
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Jammer
Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 1335 |
AFAIK Markus used Fabian's original samples so that makes it not as much cover as rather C64 port, I believe. |
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LMan
Registered: Jun 2010
Posts: 79 |
What Jammer said. This is much more a port than a cover. Although I had to reprogram the whole thing, it's still based on the original xm. |
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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 285 |
Only the persons directly involved in the port/cover/remake/remix that created the music should be credited in the SID, at least for the SIDs in the HVSC collection. All other information goes into a STIL entry.
If somebody creates a remix of a Rob Hubbard digi tune and used the same samples, the person who did the remix is only credited, like:
/MUSICIANS/S/Sanden_Peter/BMX_Kidz_Remix.sid |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4720 |
Quote: AFAIK Markus used Fabian's original samples so that makes it not as much cover as rather C64 port, I believe.
With that logic every guy that sampled anything on Amiga should be credited as musician if their samples were used in a module by someone else. The original composition is made by Hülsbeck, but he is not credited, is he? ;) Of course this is LMan's creation, even if he borrowed samples, and made a cover of a cover. Why make it so complicated? |
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LMan
Registered: Jun 2010
Posts: 79 |
Because it is a direct port, not a cover. The musical content, sound design, arrangement is 100% Fabian's, except the ending (the original loops).
Hülsbeck is credited on the screen for his original in small letters only, because Fabian's version is drastically different.
This whole discussion is unnerving really. |
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LMan
Registered: Jun 2010
Posts: 79 |
He was also beta listening all the time and suggesting things, if you absolutely need any direct involvement. |
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LMan
Registered: Jun 2010
Posts: 79 |
Really it's like the discussion back then when I released new .prgs of my songs with the only difference being that I had replaced the boring psid screen with a picture. You guys insisted that it needed a new release instead of just having it as replacement or additional download in the original release. You've made your points, you've had your way but to what result? CSDb has become a bit more messy and nobody really gives a damn.
What I'm trying to say is, rules and standards are of utmost importance, but leave a *little* room for common sense. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3186 |
I am using common sense, but seems not that common to everyone.
Having Fabian listening, nodding, waving flags and screaming "GO!GO!GO!" while _you_ were porting it to the C64 is not direct and active involvement and doesn't make him the co-author of the _C64 VERSION_ of the same tune, even if it were 100% identical to the mp3 (or whatever format was in the NDS game) :D |
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bugjam
Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2581 |
He could be credited for "help" though. |
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LMan
Registered: Jun 2010
Posts: 79 |
Whatever guys. If you think he's not worth the credit even though he is responsible for 99% of the musical content, go ahead.
It does leave another arbitrary aftertaste about how things are handled here, though. Jeez it's just a credit. |
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LMan
Registered: Jun 2010
Posts: 79 |
And I've noticed you've also re-removed his scener entry. He *is* an active scener, even if his c64 days are past.
This is almost as bad as Wikipedia with their "not relevant enough" agendas. We were quarreling with the admins there like 10 years ago, because they thought parts of our scene and subculture were not relevant enough to be listed on Wikipedia. Of course they won, having more pull. The pages were removed. |
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Karmic
Registered: Apr 2015
Posts: 66 |
Come on. Rapture has tunes already in HVSC, at least leave the scener entry undeleted. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3048 |
Yes there is some stuff in HVSC, what now?
csdb
http://csdb.dk/search/?seinsel=all&search=priore&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
search on hvsc
http://www.hvsc.c64.org/dosearch.htm?searchQuery=priore |
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Fred
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 285 |
You can also search on the hvsc site:
http://hvsc.de/?q=priore
I've requested to have his csdb entry undeleted. He is a C64 scener. |
