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Rough
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Group id #148 : Fantastic 4 Cracking Group
Wouldn't it be more fitting to have F4CG as main name, and the long form as AKA, nobody back in the days used the term 'Fantastic 4 Cracking Group', neither their members nor someone else in mags or greetings. Looks weird.
Looking at SHAPE, they used their short form too. |
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wreg
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i support the idea
just go contact some of the maintainers and point them at this thread :) |
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Rough
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the only ones regularly around are Communist and Zyron and I haven't seen the later on CSDb for some really long time |
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wreg
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well you have to contact the maintainers, so just write an email to all of them! |
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Zyron
Registered: Jan 2002
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Fantastic 4 Cracking Group is the name, F4CG is the acronym.
If we should follow this suggestion by you we would have to rename a lot of old groups. Scouse Cracking Group would be SCG, Swedish Cracking Crew would be SCC, German Cracking Service would be GCS & so on..
There are a few exceptions though, SHAPE being one (Supreme Headquarters Allied Programmers Europe) so I totally get your point & in a way it's a bit contradictionary but I'm all against renaming F4CG. |
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Rough
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Well, I think you can draw the line between those groups were the long form was common knowledge like GCS and those were the long form was rarely used like F4CG or even more NATO. (big quiz: what does it stand for? dont look at their profile ;)
North Atlantic Treaty Organization is a wrong answer. |
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Graham
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In my own database I have a flag for this: Acronym or real name being more common. |
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The Shadow
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Something strange has been occurring apparently in the PC crack scene. There are several recent releases out in cyberspace from a group that claims the name F4CG on it's cracks. Looking up the entry for F4CG here, there is no mention of them being in the PC scene and their last C=64 release was in 1999. On one of the crack patches they use, there is a remix of the SID from the game "Commando". Is this an offspring of the original F4CG or a copy-cat group? |
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cba
Registered: Apr 2002
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Shadow: F4CG is active on the PC scene, and well that there is nothing listed here about it is logic, this is a pure c64 only forum. |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: Shadow: F4CG is active on the PC scene, and well that there is nothing listed here about it is logic, this is a pure c64 only forum.
The PC F4CG is a copycat group. No old/original members are involved.
Just using the name, living on the old fame.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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afaik newscopy and one or two other infact were involved in that pc group (doing lame mp3 releases iirc) |
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
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Quote: The PC F4CG is a copycat group. No old/original members are involved.
Just using the name, living on the old fame.
That's not true, Scout. There are old members involved in F4 PC and that's about all info there should be about it. |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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Quite a few C64 guys were/are members of the PC F4CG.
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: Quite a few C64 guys were/are members of the PC F4CG.
That's why I was putting up a smoke curtain :S
Now the feds can use the memberlist and start guessing...
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:Now the feds can use the memberlist and start guessing...
yeah that will most likely happen, because they are one of the top groups on their list =P |
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Sixx
Registered: May 2005
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Quote: Quote:Now the feds can use the memberlist and start guessing...
yeah that will most likely happen, because they are one of the top groups on their list =P
Tell should be, as they are ´pure ELITE, baby. F4 for life.. Yeah, and M.X-mas too all.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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yes, pc elite all the way, just like SCS PC =) |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
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Quote: yes, pc elite all the way, just like SCS PC =)
HEY!
We ruled, mister! |
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Moloch
Registered: Jan 2002
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Quote: That's why I was putting up a smoke curtain :S
Now the feds can use the memberlist and start guessing...
Oh noes! /o\ Now I'm worried for myself!!!11
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The Shadow
Registered: Oct 2007
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So far of what I have seen coming from the PC crack scene is pretty darn lame. Warez requiring passwords to unzip (fairly lame). Warez being sold (extremely lame) and copycat/ripper groups (just too lame *puke*). Particular emphasis on warez being sold. Cracking games and distributing them free is charge is expected and normal. Selling cracked warez are the actions of pathetic vultures. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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yo pretty much summed up why we totally left the warez scene for good :) |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
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Fill me in on something here, if Ricky founded this group in 1983, why is their first release at CSDb from 1986? That year it was 2 out of 687.
Second, what was up with the name, the fantastic 4? Looking at their "member" list they practically hired everyone at some point. :P
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:Fill me in on something here, if Ricky founded this group in 1983, why is their first release at CSDb from 1986? That year it was 2 out of 687.
because a lot of releases are still missing and/or classified wrong/not at all ? none of my releases from 1986 is here either, and i doubt it ever will be, its simply lost - like a lot of stuff from that era. |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
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I know that was going to be the answer, but it is still too bad that evidence is lost then. How about the 4, did 4 start the group in the beginning? |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
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Mr.Mouse - originally 4 members and then expanding.
Same can be said for Shining 8 - originally 8 members, would like to know which 8 actually as Devil666, Fletch, Paco, Romrunner, Scum and Trashcan are only 6 that I know.
http://www.mirrorfox.com/videos/5811/shining-8---the-story.html may give more information but I need someone to translate for me :D |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Mr.Mouse - originally 4 members and then expanding.
Same can be said for Shining 8 - originally 8 members, would like to know which 8 actually as Devil666, Fletch, Paco, Romrunner, Scum and Trashcan are only 6 that I know.
http://www.mirrorfox.com/videos/5811/shining-8---the-story.html may give more information but I need someone to translate for me :D
I could do it, but would have to strain a bit as the sound of the video is bad. I'm sure there a plenty of native Germans here who could help you out there though ;) |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Quote:Fill me in on something here, if Ricky founded this group in 1983, why is their first release at CSDb from 1986? That year it was 2 out of 687.
because a lot of releases are still missing and/or classified wrong/not at all ? none of my releases from 1986 is here either, and i doubt it ever will be, its simply lost - like a lot of stuff from that era.
So how can it be lost if it was released in the scene? That makes no sense. It should be somewhere. Just like all the other stuff. With so many releases already on CSDb from all eras, I'd think if there were releases from an earlier period, they would be known to others. The other option is there was no release, or no release worth uploading. And yet another option is that there was no scene before the boom (1986). And if there was no scene, you cannot claim to have been part of something that wasn't there. |
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Marauder/GSS
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Quote: Mr.Mouse - originally 4 members and then expanding.
Same can be said for Shining 8 - originally 8 members, would like to know which 8 actually as Devil666, Fletch, Paco, Romrunner, Scum and Trashcan are only 6 that I know.
http://www.mirrorfox.com/videos/5811/shining-8---the-story.html may give more information but I need someone to translate for me :D
Jazzcat, according to the video around 4mins they were initially 6 members searching for new name (were they called Kamikaze Crew before? as they tell something about that crew died after being catched by police)... the name originates from the movie "shining" by Stanley Kubrick (book from Stephen King, guess you know that!) and they wanted to have a number in their name... shining 2001...shining 6... sounded all bad and there were two other guys sitting around, crash and nightmare, which became members then and shining 8 was born.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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At least The Fantastic Five had the decency to dissolve before they became untrue to their name ;) |
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Jazzcat
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Marauder: thanks for that! Explains a lot. Yes indeed, they were Kamikaze Crew before (Kamikaze was their main coder then). Cheers! |
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Spinball
Registered: Sep 2002
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Is it so hard to beleave that a lot of stuff from the early days is lost for ever? the scene was small and many disks got deleted, broke or where thrown away. no one dokumented the releases (no mags in the early days) and many sceners didn´t care about their releases when they left or moved on to another platform. not only the files are gone, but also the information that they existed at all.
so i guess we can be happy that so many old stuff made it to csdb, but we will never know how much is lost for ever.
Quoting Mr. MouseSo how can it be lost if it was released in the scene? That makes no sense. It should be somewhere. Just like all the other stuff. With so many releases already on CSDb from all eras, I'd think if there were releases from an earlier period, they would be known to others. The other option is there was no release, or no release worth uploading. And yet another option is that there was no scene before the boom (1986). And if there was no scene, you cannot claim to have been part of something that wasn't there. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote:So how can it be lost if it was released in the scene? That makes no sense. It should be somewhere. Just like all the other stuff. With so many releases already on CSDb from all eras, I'd think if there were releases from an earlier period, they would be known to others. The other option is there was no release, or no release worth uploading. And yet another option is that there was no scene before the boom (1986). And if there was no scene, you cannot claim to have been part of something that wasn't there.
lol ? if anything, this tells me one thing - you started much later =) in the beginning, disks were a very scarce and expensive resource. people would scratch old releases quickly to make room for new ones. und unlike it happened later (88/89 maybe), when the average gamer stumbled over a demo (or anything not game), he would not copy it (again, to save room on disks, or simply time when copying tapes). thats why especially a lot of the early "demo" type releases are probably lost forever. heck, there are even a lots of cracks missing from most early groups, and those certainly spread a whole lot better than demos back in 1985. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
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That's why we gotta convert. Particularly that stuff you find at the flea markets, lots goodies in amongst those disks.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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yes, and thats also why old turbo tape games shouldnt be forgotten. especially for 85 era stuff from countries like UK, france, spain etc etc. |
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Mr. Mouse
Registered: Dec 2001
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I believe you could have read in CSDb Quantify Me that I started doing scene related stuff in 1988, so there's not a secret there, nor some great insight on your part regarding my person. However, I started computing in 1982 on my VIC20, so I know all about the tape era and scarce diskdrive access, so don't ever patronize me again.
Regardless of that though, I've always saved my stuff, even if on tape, and put them on a disk once that became available to me. Sure, there is stuff lost, what I am saying it should be out there, if it was truly widespread. If not, when do we start calling something a release? When did a "scene" start? Do we subdivide in local scene versus international scene, European vs American vs Australian scene, stuff like that. If there is no evidence, what is the truth? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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if there is no evidence, more disk must be transfered. you can count them later =) |
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Rough
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Chances are high that there are no F4CG releases til 86 at all. Maybe they just found the group and were gamers and, quite possible in Italy, sellers of pirated soft. |
