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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Release id #61617 : Dialogue (Wally's Tetris Poem)
Maybe somebody can shed some light on this: this tune was part of a demo, was never released as a seperate entity. Now, for somebody (Stainless Steel) to make a .prg out of it, then to add it as a new entry to this database kinda strikes me as being wrong. Has this ever been discussed before? |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
Hmm...Déjà vu indeed!
In short, creating "rips"/releases using HVSC is not the way to go. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
if what you say is true then well, stainless steel should be credited for releasing it, and the releasedate should be today, not 2004 =P
but i share your feeling about it, its similar to ripping the title pic from a game, adding a viewer to it (worse, using an existing viewer in this case) and then adding it as a release.
i am almost convinced that this isnt a valid release in the context of csdb. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Oh holy fucking shit, what have i done.
Listen, if my uploading prg's of my favourite tunes (so i can finally make a comment on them and vote specifically for the tune) is going to turn into another one of those csdb dramas, then just delete them and let it rest.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
good idea :)
and why not simply write your comment into the entry of the demo it's in? (or alternativly, convince perff that implementing comments on sids is a good idea?) |
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
No Joe, you're the drama queen here :)
We're just discussing database integrity. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting scoutNo Joe, you're the drama queen here :)
We're just discussing database integrity.
Ok, i might be overreacting a little.
But topics like these do have the habit of turning into drama scenes and name calling around here every once in a while.
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
Quote: Quoting scoutNo Joe, you're the drama queen here :)
We're just discussing database integrity.
Ok, i might be overreacting a little.
But topics like these do have the habit of turning into drama scenes and name calling around here every once in a while.
Thank <insert your entity of choice here> for those moderators, right? ;P |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting groepazand why not simply write your comment into the entry of the demo it's in? (or alternativly, convince perff that implementing comments on sids is a good idea?)
And end world hunger. And heal cancer. And ..
What magical powers does it take to accomplish that task in a mere humans lifetime ? (pun intended)
As i said, i want to comment specifically on the tune and also vote for the _tune_ not for the demo.
It seemed like a reasonable option, since the "executable" fetish is all the rage here.
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting scoutThank <insert your entity of choice here> for those moderators, right? ;P
Here comes the drama.
Please, don't make this a moderator thing again. I meant the entire csdb community. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
Quote:
As i said, i want to comment specifically on the tune and also vote for the _tune_ not for the demo.
sure thing... but as of now, you can't comment on sids :) |
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
Happens not often, but here I agree with TDJ. If I didn't release it seperately or if it's not released in a demo/mag or whatever, then it shouldn't be added to CSDb. I've sent some of my sids directly to Steppe (i.e. Boing) to be added to HVSC, mainly because those aren't my favourite. If I wanted to release it, I would have done it. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Well hein, i did not mean to offend you by uploading those entries.
I merely wanted to express my appreciation for some tunes i really like.
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Hein
Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 933 |
No problem, I'm glad you like the music, but making seperate prg files is a bit too much.
What if all of us did the same with the tunes we like? |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting HeinWhat if all of us did the same with the tunes we like?
Before TDJ picked the topic up, I was about to post something suggesting that everyone should do just that.
I personally think it is a great idea that the sid's should get a bit more attention in the csdb context.
For me, the sids having a dedicated entry was a logical consequence. I know many disagree. But that's my opinion.
To those who might think :
"But then why not have a separate entry for every effect and font and each scener's dick length and my daddy's shoe size"
People please, stay reasonable.
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
I rest my case, i was probably inhaling too much green this evening.
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Scout
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 1568 |
Quote: I rest my case, i was probably inhaling too much green this evening.
Damned tourists! |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
Quote:
Before TDJ picked the topic up, I was about to post something suggesting that everyone should do just that.
I personally think it is a great idea that the sid's should get a bit more attention in the csdb context.
if you like a tune, i suggest doing like we did back in the days - use it in your demo/intro/whatever :) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
That wouldn't make much sense in my case groepaz, would it. |
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Radiant
Registered: Sep 2004
Posts: 639 |
Sending a PM to the composer, if he's registered here, is a nice way of showing appreciation as well. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting radiantxSending a PM to the composer, if he's registered here, is a nice way of showing appreciation as well.
Sure, but then what are the comments and vote functions for then?
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
Quote: That wouldn't make much sense in my case groepaz, would it.
why not? |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Well, let me think.
Why would i make a demo and use someone else's music, instead of my own music.
I could do a remix/cover sure, but thats not the point.
I can see where you are going, in any other case your reasoning would apply.
But for a musician to use someone else's music is like a coder not coding his own demo.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
Quote:
Why would i make a demo and use someone else's music, instead of my own music.
why not?
Quote:
But for a musician to use someone else's music is like a coder not coding his own demo.
i can see your point, and at the same time i dont agree :) many coders frequently use code from others (for example, loaders).
the lameness starts when you pretend to have made it yourself. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
My point is, I'm a musician myself
(at least i like to think that, others may disagree).
I really don't see the point of making a demo for anyone else's music than for my own (and no, making a psid exe out of a tune doesn't count as a demo).
If i was to make a remix/cover of my favorite tunes (not unlikely to happen) yeah sure.
But i don't see any point in cramming some popular sid's (in their original version) into a disk menu just for the sake of the csdb rules and regulations.
Quoting groepazi can see your point, and at the same time i dont agree :) many coders frequently use code from others (for example, loaders).
Ok, my coder example wasn't the best. But i think you get my point. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Isn't it ironic that the very same guy you are so fond of, Hein, has actually released several demos with music by others last year?
Now my guess would be that he did that for the exact same reason you describe: that he loves those tunes ;) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
=D |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting TDJIsn't it ironic that the very same guy you are so fond of, Hein, has actually released several demos with music by others last year?
Thats all fine and dandy, but totally not the point.
My original intent was to finally be able to make comments and votes on my favorite tunes.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
like i said, convince perff to add comment feature to sids. (there even is a thread about it in the forum if i recall correctly) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Lets say i don't see it happening in a realistic time frame, no offense.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
maybe, like so many other things which are on the "wanted" and/or "todo" list, it will take time. things are beeing added, one after the other. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Also, I don't think it's a good idea to 'abuse' the system here just because it doesn't fit your needs. Granted, the current system isn't perfect, but if everybody just did stuff like that, it would become even worse .. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11165 |
exactly |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting TDJAlso, I don't think it's a good idea to 'abuse' the system here just because it doesn't fit your needs.
Woo hoo, strong words. Chill out dude.
Nobody's "abusing" the system here.
Im merely "using" the system. If I kept on uploading those psid files and the mods
had stepped in, then you might have had a point. Otherwise, you're just exaggerating.
Besides, sometimes thinking a bit "outside of the box" and bending the rules can lead to great results,
rather than playing it safe and by the book.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Quoting TDJAlso, I don't think it's a good idea to 'abuse' the system here just because it doesn't fit your needs.
Woo hoo, strong words. Chill out dude.
Nobody's "abusing" the system here.
Im merely "using" the system. If I kept on uploading those psid files and the mods
had stepped in, then you might have had a point. Otherwise, you're just exaggerating.
Besides, sometimes thinking a bit "outside of the box" and bending the rules can lead to great results,
rather than playing it safe and by the book.
Jesus Christ, you really are a piece of work, ain't ya?
I deliberately used quotation marks so it would be obvious it wasn't meant that strong. But I guess you're one of those people that you have to be very very careful with, or they'll feel insulted :Z
As for "bending the rules": this is not a game, this is a database, and in order to keep it usable for most people we should follow the rules that are set, like with every other repository. If something doesn't fit, either take it up with the Perff, or create something yourself. |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Quoting TDJJesus Christ, you really are a piece of work, ain't ya? .
As scout already pointed out - I'm a drama queen.
Chill man, I ain't mad at'cha. I'm just being a general bitch.
Cheers, We'll have a beer at x2008 and laugh about it.
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Quoting TDJJesus Christ, you really are a piece of work, ain't ya? .
As scout already pointed out - I'm a drama queen.
Chill man, I ain't mad at'cha. I'm just being a general bitch.
Cheers, We'll have a beer at x2008 and laugh about it.
Fuck that! FUCK THAT! I don't wanna drink a beer with ya!
Gimme a cola instead ;) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Cola ? damn, i thought you was a tough guy :-D
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Cola ? damn, i thought you was a tough guy :-D
Hey, cola is bad for your teeth you know, yet I still drink it. Doesn't get any tougher than that! |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
Girls.. :) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Yo lax, you coming to the x this year ?
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
I don't know yet.. I really wanna go! |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Come on man, we really missed you last time!
And somebody drag Reyn's butt there too :-D
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: Come on man, we really missed you last time!
And somebody drag Reyn's butt there too :-D
Unfortunately Reyn won't be able to make it :( |
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SIDWAVE
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Quote: I don't know yet.. I really wanna go!
It's simple Lax.
Allocate the time, and GO! |
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
I tried this:
float fX2008Time = WifeAndKids::TimeAllocSeconds(60.0f * 60.0f * 24.0f * 4.0f);
No luck.. I got an exception!.. :) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Come on Laxity. I've been longing for years to have a waterproof autograph of yours on my belly!
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
How about I make a rub-on-tatoo for ya? :) |
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Stainless Steel
Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 966 |
Rub me baby!
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Laxity
Registered: Aug 2005
Posts: 459 |
rub rub rub.. There you go!..
EDIT: I'll try to come to X, maybe I can ride with Drax and co.!. (Guys?).. |
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SIDWAVE
Account closed
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2238 |
Lax, seriously, everyone should be able to take 3 days of their lives for something like X. |
