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hedning
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Release id #178287 : Robots Rumble +6D
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Submitted by ZeSmasher [PM] on 28 May 2019
10 print "use the forum for this kind of discussion"
20 print "or better don't use it, same lame topic was discussed 10000 times already"
30 rem "it's a cool game! congratz!"
40 goto 10
run
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Submitted by Jazzcat [PM] on 28 May 2019
Dang, could not edit my comment.
Wanted to say that if the game coder wants to train their game that is fine by me.
E$G + HF: ignore the whiners and keep doing nice releases, if you want, add a HF intro, will make it clearer for some, if not: that's fine, you make the decision :D
Oh, and when you catch up with Adam for a beer, make sure to look me up as well! :D
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Submitted by Jazzcat [PM] on 28 May 2019
Agree with Didi, I do not recognise this as a HF crack due to no intro or tagging in place. Otherwise, nice version. Ignore the whiners otherwise.
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Submitted by E$G [PM] on 28 May 2019
@Zyron you applied a logic in your answer but as one of the "fastest trainer maker", together with Didi, Faayd and few others you will agree with me that you don't need to be the game coder to easily find at glance where the code has to be changed, the free mem where to put the selection and to link an intro. The pain comes later, intro can leave some dirty bytes and trainers can drunk the code with unexpected crash. So it's not so easy as it seems and 1 is not fair. For all the groups that spend time on c64 for the scene & own satisfaction!
@Adam: a kiss back to you and a beer when I'll visit the land downunder!
@Hedning: I can read Hokuto Force in the dox as DM is a label of and since dox & trainers are not in the other version for me it's an HF effort.
I usually vote for all the scene releases, each one can see my votes. All that is hidden keep the secret on it, until rulez won't change.
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Submitted by Dymo [PM] on 28 May 2019
Well, to me it rather feels like a deluxe-version of a game rather than a crack... or orrie with easter eggs already attached...
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Submitted by Didi [PM] on 28 May 2019
@Mods: If you finally decide to tag this release as Game entry, you may also do with Lala Prologue +4DG and Tenebra Macabre +4D because it's the same circumstances. Both entries are locked.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 28 May 2019
Adam: You trained the voting system? :O Damn 1337.
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Submitted by Adam [PM] on 28 May 2019
I voted ten because you're all a bunch of drama queens :)
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 28 May 2019
E$G: "downvoting 1 is killing the scene and minimize the voter's intelligence"... Well.. Look who are automatically voting 10. ;)
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Submitted by Zyron [PM] on 28 May 2019
When it comes to cracks I give my votes according to the effort made. Training your own source, not even bothering to put an intro on it can hardly be seen as any effort at all. So what kind of votes did you expect to get for this anyway?
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 28 May 2019
It was long ago crackers only used the SYS-line and that is not up to pair with the cracking scene of today. You know this, E$G. This release only exists to keep crackers off, and to avoid a intro in front of it, as Majikeyric hates that. Apart from that I cannot find a HF tag anywhere in the release. Not even in the SYS-line. And am I wrong guessing that the trainers are in the original as well, and just turned on here? Also: no cracker was involved in this release at all to train it. It obviously never left the hands of the game coder. I would argue releasing stuff like this is hurting the spirit of the scene (thus the votes I guess), but you already know where I stand. Zyron is right: this one should be classified as C64 Game as the game coder only made another build of it with trainers included.
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Submitted by E$G [PM] on 28 May 2019
This is not just the game but a trained version. Rulez set a crack just for a sys line changed... 1001, 9009, 1337, 2 chars, an intro, a cracked by ABC in the main game page. We don't waste our time to claim a 1st that can't be, rulez are always changed. So enjoy & play if you like it, but downvoting 1 is killing the scene and minimize the voter's intelligence, usually a secret vote. Beg to differ.
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Submitted by Zyron [PM] on 28 May 2019
This is kind of silly. If you're really going to keep doing this, at least do it properly. Hand it over to one of your crackers, link an intro, release it as proper HF cracks - if that is what you want. Right now it's just a different build of the same game made by Digital Monastery.
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Submitted by E$G [PM] on 28 May 2019
What's wrong with this crack, fully-jeweled trained one? Does the scene wish a usual poor +2? Or it's a matter of 1st release points? Anyway admins&mods can have their amusement break. They can see who is givin' fair votes ;)
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 28 May 2019
Why HF? There is no HF-intro; nothing is changed except a trainer option turned on in the code. I would say this does not qualify as a crack in the database, really. It has nothing to do with the cracking scene or warez scene.
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Submitted by Raistlin [PM] on 28 May 2019
Didi: ok, understood. So in terms of votes on this release, we’re voting for the quality of crack rather than for the quality of the game..? That’s how it would normally work. It’s a shame as i’d like to see scene games rated fairly here...
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Submitted by iAN CooG [PM] on 28 May 2019
not the version competing at the RGCD C64 16KB Cartridge Game Development Competition 2019 because it's not even a cart version, Robots Rumble [16kb cartridge] is.
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Submitted by hedning [PM] on 28 May 2019
Didi: exactly why we changed the rules in Propa.
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Submitted by Majikeyric [PM] on 28 May 2019
TRAINER_MENU=1
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Submitted by AlexC [PM] on 28 May 2019
So this is not even a dump from crt but probably a reassembly from source?
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Submitted by Didi [PM] on 28 May 2019
@Raistlin: That was done dozens of time in the past as well.
But as a first release mag editor I would ignore this release as a "crack" because it has no intro linked to it and it seems to be common today that game creators train their games by themselves to spoil the fun for the "crackers" and first release hunters (e.g. Knight Lore, etc.). Add a HF intro and I would accept it as a "crack release" and firstie. This way it is just an extended version of the cartridge release, which adds what did not fit into the size limit.
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Submitted by Raistlin [PM] on 28 May 2019
Wait... cracking your own game? Such skullduggery might even make Onslaught look like proper crackers ;-) |
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The Overkiller
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It’s a shame as i’d like to see scene games rated fairly here... ahhhh you ask a fairly voting? Start to ask to the "1 voting" bunch and then let me know, I'm interested too. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
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Quote: It’s a shame as i’d like to see scene games rated fairly here... ahhhh you ask a fairly voting? Start to ask to the "1 voting" bunch and then let me know, I'm interested too.
I guess they vote on what effort went into it as a "C64 Crack". |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 554 |
I suspect the “1” voters are voting on the basis of this being a crack... CSDB voting and discussions are based on the release type. I like this game - but it’s hard to give a high “crack” score when no cracking was done. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
thanks for moving this to the forum and cleaning the comments linked to the release.
fact #1: the C64 scene is alive, new cool games are released on this prehistoric computer quite often and we are all happy about it!
fact #2: oh wait, not all are happy coz how sceners support the scene vary from scener-a to scener-b. "rules", "1st release", "cracking", "tradition", "points", "votes", "downvotes", "cool", "no, lame!", "you did it too", "blabla", "bloblo", ...
fact #3, despite recurring discussion on fact #2, scener-a keeps doing what he/she likes and scener-b keeps doing what he/she likes. chances someone of us will live long enough to see the day scener-a or scener-b to change his/her minds are equal to zero.
fact #4, CSDbijaDb |
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Dr.Strange
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 100 |
I have voted 1 because I consider releasing "cracked" version of your own game not a very honourable practice. I have nothing against game, which is actually good. Game has actually a different entry, so votes are clearly directed to the intention behind the release, not the release itself. Because honestly, how can you rate a coder cracking his own games with a 10? |
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E$G
Registered: Dec 2007
Posts: 786 |
@Dr.Strange: weird answer. It's all bound to the honour, but it's not a csdb evaluation parameter. As you know and as I've answered to Zyron, for a skilled cracker, to do a +infinite lives, it's a 3 mins job and to close the crack including intro & dox, it's 5 min (6 for Didi that work with real hw).
All the work & time is to make the trainers work together and the more you put and more you risk the failure. It happened in all cracking groups we belong too. And even if man and machine match together as one the result of manipulating code it takes a lot of time to bring a perfect release.
So to judge a great work provided by Majikeyric in this way it's really a shame. Probably it's a matter of feelings to respect other works. It's not a matter of personal opinion like to vote a demo, a pic or a sid tune. Crack, with trainers, bug fix, ntsc/pal, is perfection, this is a game trained, if it's not a 10, you can have provided at least a 8 for the above reasons, 2 vote less than perfection because it was so easy to get the orrie before all the others.
That's why CSDb gives to all their registered users the opportunity to change their votes. When a man fails or change opinion he can change his vote as many time he wish.
On the other side you can't change feedback words.
Words hurts than a vote and each of us must take his responsability.
Back to votes as ZeSmasher said in his perfect and not prolix summary rarely scener a/b will change his/her minds.
Don't do it for friendship, honour or whatever else, do it for an artist that shared his time for free with us. Next time he can decide to do different things and slowly the scene will die, it's not our aim, we all belong to this big family. |
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Dr.Strange
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 100 |
@E$G: I am not going to change my vote, as I disagree with what you guys are doing. Simple as that. Cracking your own games - imho - doesn't make you any favour and as you should know, every release has a "political" gravitas on the scene too. At least, this time you guys didn't go for the first release, I am giving you that, but trying to convenience me that a coder (and a group) who thinks it's ok to crack/train your own code it's good, doesn't work for me. Add a protection instead or give it a group you respect to do a fine work, that's what I'd respect as a good scene spirit. Of course, you guys can keep doing what you are doing and this is only my opinion, so feel free to release your own stuff to avoid anyone else "not good enough" to touch your things. Have fun. |
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Majikeyric
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 83 |
Why I do that :
I coded a game some years ago and spent a big lot of time on it, when I released it, it was cracked at light speed by the usual C64 cracking groups.
All the articles I could read about my game on Retro game sites only talked about and credited the crackers. never mentioning the poor guy behind the game having spent hundred hours on it when the cracker has just trained an unprotected game and intro linked it in 10 minutes.
SO NOW IT'S MY TURN TO SPOIL THE FUN OF CRACKERS.
And I don't care about crack release, if there was a Trained game category I would have adopted it.
First I selected the "C64 Game" category with my previous releases but it is always changed to "C64 Crack" so ....
You can debate as much as you want... |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
I like that stance, it's what i'd do as well. Release a fully trained version along with the original.
Although i'd also put an intro there with the logo of a fake label. And fuckings to the usual suspects in the scroller, of course. =) |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 554 |
Quote: Why I do that :
I coded a game some years ago and spent a big lot of time on it, when I released it, it was cracked at light speed by the usual C64 cracking groups.
All the articles I could read about my game on Retro game sites only talked about and credited the crackers. never mentioning the poor guy behind the game having spent hundred hours on it when the cracker has just trained an unprotected game and intro linked it in 10 minutes.
SO NOW IT'S MY TURN TO SPOIL THE FUN OF CRACKERS.
And I don't care about crack release, if there was a Trained game category I would have adopted it.
First I selected the "C64 Game" category with my previous releases but it is always changed to "C64 Crack" so ....
You can debate as much as you want...
This makes sense ... though now I wonder why the old releases were relabelled as cracks..? Unless you literally cracked your own games, I would've thought "C64 Game" was the right label..?
That way, although you're not stopping someone essentially adding an intro to the game and claiming it as a crack and first release, you're turning -them- into the lamers for slapping an intro on and doing no further work..? |
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Dr.Strange
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 100 |
Quote: Why I do that :
I coded a game some years ago and spent a big lot of time on it, when I released it, it was cracked at light speed by the usual C64 cracking groups.
All the articles I could read about my game on Retro game sites only talked about and credited the crackers. never mentioning the poor guy behind the game having spent hundred hours on it when the cracker has just trained an unprotected game and intro linked it in 10 minutes.
SO NOW IT'S MY TURN TO SPOIL THE FUN OF CRACKERS.
And I don't care about crack release, if there was a Trained game category I would have adopted it.
First I selected the "C64 Game" category with my previous releases but it is always changed to "C64 Crack" so ....
You can debate as much as you want...
I guess you are aware you are in a cracking group which does the same to other game devs. Said so, if you don't care about crack releases, you shouldn't be in a cracking group at all. My two cents. |
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Majikeyric
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 83 |
HF is a big family where people are FREE to do what they want and like the most whatever is it and without any constraints.
And I do what I want . |
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Dr.Strange
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 100 |
Quote: HF is a big family where people are FREE to do what they want and like the most whatever is it and without any constraints.
And I do what I want .
Scene groups don't work that way and I am surprised HF orgas allow members to do whatever they want without supervision or direction, but if that's your group philosophy, there's not that much to argue here. |
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E$G
Registered: Dec 2007
Posts: 786 |
Quote: I guess you are aware you are in a cracking group which does the same to other game devs. Said so, if you don't care about crack releases, you shouldn't be in a cracking group at all. My two cents.
@Dr.Strange: Pure cracking groups don't exist anymore. Most of the active cracking group are borderline on demo scene, magazine editors and game maker. We love this mix as well contributing the best we can.
Action of individual sceners or team are always under the electric eye of the scene that can judge the difference between politics and real fun. We go for the second for a great satisfaction guarantEEd, in pure freedom with a clever organizers conduction & supervision! |
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Giulio/Wolf
Registered: Apr 2016
Posts: 18 |
What a drama. I don't know if I have to start to cry or to laugh. I'm 100% with Majikeyric.
The "First Release Rush" and the points system is simply a game for childrens. There are tons of oldies that still could be cracked and released properly but it seems the vast majority of groups focuses on releasing incomplete previews and so on. My opinion.
HF is a good team... every member is free to do his own things and discuss with other members his jobs. All is always supervisioned and shared with all other members before releasing. |
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The Overkiller
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 342 |
Let's repeat it another time (damn ... again ...)
1) DM is not a separate group, a sub group or whatever. It's just a label name for the games produced or sponsorized by Hokuto Force. Seems clear to me but something sci-fi for the rest...
2) Everytime I uploaded an entry like that I always tagged HF only and GAME. It's not a crack, it's the way our coder (Eric) want to release it. But of course others edit the entry and start messing changing the tag to crack (because there're trainers? C'omn....) and adding DM (and creating also an entry for DM which there's no reason it exist).
Maybe it's time I start to lock again the entries I upload at this point.
So, in short terms: these entry are HF only and C64GAME. Period! |
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CSixx
Registered: Jan 2013
Posts: 12 |
Quote: Why I do that :
I coded a game some years ago and spent a big lot of time on it, when I released it, it was cracked at light speed by the usual C64 cracking groups.
All the articles I could read about my game on Retro game sites only talked about and credited the crackers. never mentioning the poor guy behind the game having spent hundred hours on it when the cracker has just trained an unprotected game and intro linked it in 10 minutes.
SO NOW IT'S MY TURN TO SPOIL THE FUN OF CRACKERS.
And I don't care about crack release, if there was a Trained game category I would have adopted it.
First I selected the "C64 Game" category with my previous releases but it is always changed to "C64 Crack" so ....
You can debate as much as you want...
For someone who hates the scene so much, I wonder why you bother here... |
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Majikeyric
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 83 |
Fortunately there are a lot more interesting things in the C64 scene than some poor frustrated crackers..... |
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Dr.Strange
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 100 |
Quote: Fortunately there are a lot more interesting things in the C64 scene than some poor frustrated crackers.....
And now we are insulting too. I think you should be building you reputation before using that kind of comments in public here. You don't belong here, believe me. But again, HF seems to be ok you insulting other fellow sceners. Ah, btw in your group there are crackers too. I am sure they are happy to be called "poor and frustrated" by you.
Good luck, our conversation ends here. |
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E$G
Registered: Dec 2007
Posts: 786 |
I'm not a lawyer but first of all Majikeyric really like the scene in his totality and he is not referring to all the crackers past, present & future. So please don't manipulate the words and their meaning.
He talked about his release, a release that has been downvoted and the way was built that can't feed the 1st scene releasers. No crackers were bugged in this thread! If you like it play it, otherwise there are a bunch of other games to play with. Peace & love. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Well done Majikeyric!
Nice work. All he is doing is uploading a trained game he has made. Big deal.
Question: who is changing the labeling? That seems to be causing the drama? Are the entries locked so the mods are changing the labeling?
***YAWN*** |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Well done Majikeyric!
Nice work. All he is doing is uploading a trained game he has made. Big deal.
Question: who is changing the labeling? That seems to be causing the drama? Are the entries locked so the mods are changing the labeling?
***YAWN***
The allknowing master of the everything has spoken. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
hey Moloch, you know what to do! :) |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 327 |
My 3.14159... cent:
CSDb is a database to reflect and preserve released productions.
The creator of a release can label it like he wants to.
But the mod's can change it to usual conventions. The additional informations like name and release type etc. are useful for all of us.
Be kind and let us have a funny time together. This is my most important target! |
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The Overkiller
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Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 342 |
Ok, now that GP has having fun to re-release our stuff with Bad Taste fake group, would you please ... please .... PLEASE. stop making us wasting time talking about DM (something I already told you how to fix: just remove it) ? |
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Majikeyric
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 83 |
haha ! shouldn't I be credited in fake GP releases as trainer at last ;-) |
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Majikeyric
Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 83 |
As GP doesn't respect my work and thinkings this one will certainly not be released : Full Contact Intro at Gubbdata.
Enjoy anyway! |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
We respect your work a lot. Really great stuff. And I believe you are credited in the Bad Taste imports? I think I read that.
I think the problem here is that somehow people are evil idiots if they add intros to HF stuff, while HF have no problem adding their intros to other people's work. Isn't that some kind of double standard? |
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E$G
Registered: Dec 2007
Posts: 786 |
Quote: We respect your work a lot. Really great stuff. And I believe you are credited in the Bad Taste imports? I think I read that.
I think the problem here is that somehow people are evil idiots if they add intros to HF stuff, while HF have no problem adding their intros to other people's work. Isn't that some kind of double standard?
@Hedning: don't pull our leg, you have an high IQ and don't act in a blind way. GP (or better say GP faking labelS) put their hands on some games released by HF, games already released with trainers, that don't need extra work.
Released the same day with the only aim to make lose visibility to the original HF release and create mess on the scene.
That will be ridicolous for all the other groups but GP.
HF and the other groups that release a c64 game never complained if a "cracker" group added an intro or proposed a better trainer version (1st release or oldie one).
So there isn't a double standard or do you think that all sceners can't fully understand who create problems and solve it in a unfair way?
Do the scene need this or release to be pleased?
And if this is the way to respect Majikeyric code probably something didn't work. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
"With the only aim to make lose visibility to the original HF release and create mess on the scene".
Really? And releasing games with included trainers to avoid others to touch it isn't messing with the scene spirit and create mess on the scene? Especially from a group that crack games themselves en masse? I think HF want to be two things at the same time: they want to release games that noone else can touch, and if people do they are super evil scene destroyers, and also they want to be part of the cracker scene and do the exact same thing to other's work. I think the problem lies there. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
this story starts to have consequences (Majikeyric's Gubbdata boycott). uhm... let's hope it doesn't escalate. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2069 |
Again... |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: this story starts to have consequences (Majikeyric's Gubbdata boycott). uhm... let's hope it doesn't escalate.
Oh. I'm not worried. Looking forward to some F4CG entries. You have one month. Deadline for sending in remotes is June 29 at 19:00 CET. GOGOGO! |
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E$G
Registered: Dec 2007
Posts: 786 |
@Hedning "Holmes", I hope you don't mind if I match your name with the greatest investigator, since you're supposing but I'm deeply sorry you're complitely on the wrong deduction.
So why bad taste games pop up, for scene fun?
The continuing saga of the 1st release brought mess. The supply can't be done to the same group (a kick in the ass to HF&MYD), you've to give your game to the friendly neighborhood (which one?, we are in good feelings with all the groups and overall most of the sceners), you've to upload to the 3 (now thanks to backup a 4th one) bbs but it happens that some are down (or the line fall down during the u/l), and so on.
If we decide to bring a "definitive" trained game to the scene is to provide first of all a better release and to avoid that another group handle it just linking an intro, but not to evirate the pleasure of doin' another version, you can do it but don't claim for points. You can't count on HF game releases to support the scene and points fight. How many we did in a year? And all this mess start with chit chat when we do it, goin' out of topic, opening a forum thread, downvoting in the name of mafia's honour!
Why don't you do like Laxity that go straight ahead or Excess that is climbing steps 2 by 2, gettin' originals & providing fast trainers. Sometime they win sometime they lose this is the real fun. The fun that all wish still supportin' the scene day by day.
At least you can judge about our way to propose our work for free but you can avoid to "impose" how we have to release it. The problem lies in the fact that this crack, can't be considered crack due to missing (HF) intro, but the problem was solved moving the trainer version to c64 game category. This is the way that mods and sceners should work with respect for the scene and themselves.
No prob for Gubbdata, friends can vote for friends, and a lot of cOOl stuff is ready to be released. |
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Achim
Registered: Jan 2010
Posts: 28 |
Hard to believe this is really happening. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 554 |
As the game has now been reclassified as "C64 game", I've changed my vote to reflect the quality of the game rather than of the "crack".
But now this makes me wonder ... have Bad Taste now accidentally scored a First Release on this..? Or did HF get the FR by uploading first to the boards?
I'm not a huge fan of the crack scene myself - but I love all the drama, it's just too funny not to get involved :-) |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
Quote: @Adam: a kiss back to you and a beer when I'll visit the land downunder!
I'll be sure to keep the fridge stocked with some fine aussie beer! :) |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3132 |
Raistlin: First Release flag has been ditched for good from this database as it's just matter of drama fuel and nothing else. So it's irrelevant in here. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Raistlin: First Release flag has been ditched for good from this database as it's just matter of drama fuel and nothing else. So it's irrelevant in here.
+ most mags won't count fake labels. |
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E$G
Registered: Dec 2007
Posts: 786 |
Quote: As the game has now been reclassified as "C64 game", I've changed my vote to reflect the quality of the game rather than of the "crack".
But now this makes me wonder ... have Bad Taste now accidentally scored a First Release on this..? Or did HF get the FR by uploading first to the boards?
I'm not a huge fan of the crack scene myself - but I love all the drama, it's just too funny not to get involved :-)
Raistlin thanX to have it thought again, I will happily share a beeR with you too! As Hedning said all fake labels are not counted for 1st rel big rush. Usually their functions is to avoid that other groups get the points and usually the release is from low / crap quality, not prestigious for a solid scene group.
This is fully accepted without moans from the whole crack scene.
Since you love drama I will count you in for a demo scene one if ever will happen.
I don't love drama too but since I speak with straight tongue, if I was wrong I admit it and I can change my idea/opinion and I hope that all the words can be useful for some improving in the system (among all the popcorns and the empty cans). |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
Quote: Raistlin thanX to have it thought again, I will happily share a beeR with you too! As Hedning said all fake labels are not counted for 1st rel big rush. Usually their functions is to avoid that other groups get the points and usually the release is from low / crap quality, not prestigious for a solid scene group.
This is fully accepted without moans from the whole crack scene.
Since you love drama I will count you in for a demo scene one if ever will happen.
I don't love drama too but since I speak with straight tongue, if I was wrong I admit it and I can change my idea/opinion and I hope that all the words can be useful for some improving in the system (among all the popcorns and the empty cans).
Fake labels can be used to release imports/cracks of good games as well, if the main group in question was to late on the ball for example. R-Type +6 is one example. And I want to point out (again) that I think Majikeyric is doing a fabulous work. Great games. This whole thing is not about the quelity of the games.
BTW. I will also change my vote on the former "cracks" as they are not defined as such anymore. |
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Jazzcat
Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1044 |
Fake labels have been used historically to also put other groups or people down, and on releases deemed unworthy or possibly causing trouble under the group's real label.
A real shame that a fake label was brought in here post the commentary from various folk on this and other DM releases. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
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Quoting JazzcatFake labels have been used historically to also put other groups or people down, and on releases deemed unworthy or possibly causing trouble under the group's real label.
A real shame that a fake label was brought in here post the commentary from various folk on this and other DM releases.
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