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Monte Carlos
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 351 |
Event id #3165 : Anti (Ukraine) war demo competition
Maybe we can consider the end of the war as a soft deadline?? |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4598 |
<Post edited by hedning on 4/3-2022 22:13>
This is just silly. It's more of a political statement run using CSDb as its platform than a compo if you have no deadline, or a "soft deadline", or even a 2 year running time.
Very few here are probably pro-Russia in this war anyhows, and you will see just as many anti-war demos even without this "compo". I understand your good will in this, however. But if this is ok, then what hinders someone from starting a 3 year long pro-russian "compo", or a Save the environment "compo" running for 200 years? |
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Monte Carlos
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 351 |
OK. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2076 |
I am for including these entries
Requiem for Vladimir MiniPeePee
MAN WTF
Ukraine
40 Bytes for Ukraine
in case of doubt maybe "Out of Compo"
Just to make clear what's already here and keep SOME people from doing zillions of Ukrainian $D020 flags |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4598 |
Quote: I am for including these entries
Requiem for Vladimir MiniPeePee
MAN WTF
Ukraine
40 Bytes for Ukraine
in case of doubt maybe "Out of Compo"
Just to make clear what's already here and keep SOME people from doing zillions of Ukrainian $D020 flags
Isn't that something the creators of these prods should decide? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11123 |
retroactively adding releases from other people to a rather unnecessary "compo".
you guys never stop delivering :) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2076 |
OK was just a thought, not important |
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Monte Carlos
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 351 |
I could place links for those looking for a starting point. So they're not part of the compo but still referred. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3035 |
I think it's quite distasteful idea. |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619 |
I don't support this type of compo, it is not fun!. |
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F7sus4
Registered: Apr 2013
Posts: 112 |
I have no doubts that people will make productions supporting Ukraine. But to make a compo out of it, where we're having fun, compete, comment and vote while people die... it feels terribly wrong. "Squid Game" sort of wrong.
And I hope it won't turn into "b-b-but freedom of speech/artistic expression" argument. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1378 |
Yeah no.
Demos in support, sure. But this feels a bit off to me. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
Well, since its here now and we have "participating" entries already, it will stay unless Monte calls it off.
Entries dealing with such topics are up to the people loading their "products" into ESCOS or another displayer of course but even them could not enter the outcome into the compo *hint*.
IMHO these topics are always double-edged swords due to way off political and personal opinions - and lack the sexy part _always_. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4598 |
Quote: I think it's quite distasteful idea.
It is. |
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Trurl
Registered: Mar 2002
Posts: 59 |
Maybe turn it into a "voice your opinion" -type of challenge instead of a competition? Or just call it off. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 565 |
Yeah, awful idea to do this IMO… better to just organise a fundraiser on Facebook or something - or even just as a forum thread here…
I mean… what next? Anti-Brexit? Anti-antivax? Pro-LGBT? These are all things that don’t need competitions. |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2847 |
Quoting RaistlinI mean… what next? Anti-Brexit? Anti-antivax? Pro-LGBT? These are all things that don’t need competitions. You cannot put these on the same level as waging war on a country and invading it.
This competition may be a bad idea due to many things, but this isn't any of it. |
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Frostbyte
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 170 |
There, I added my humble entry.
I don't oppose organising an anti-war event, vice versa, but maybe it could be just an event, not a compo. A channel of expressing our support to Ukraine in our c64 demoscene way, if you wish. I doubt anyone has great desire to actually compete in such events, me including. |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 445 |
Quoting Frostbytebut maybe it could be just an event, not a compo.
This. |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1378 |
Quoting Frostbytebut maybe it could be just an event, not a compo. A channel of expressing our support to Ukraine in our c64 demoscene way, if you wish.
^oh, now that I like. |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 3035 |
Quote: Quoting Frostbytebut maybe it could be just an event, not a compo.
This.
Yes. |
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MuZZa
Registered: Nov 2020
Posts: 16 |
We humbly did our demo as a political statement against the war, of course. Not this particular war, all wars. We usually make political entries and we know that more than one in here considers them unnecessary (demoscene and politics don't mix, they say), and of course the intention isn't to provoke or annoy anyone but the fact that these things continue to happen in this world actually makes us think that the discussion regarding intolerance has to be continued and maintained. Even in this little freaky niche that we belong to. We were also present at the Barcelona demonstration. One interesting thing about CSDB is that we're meeting many European and American nationalities. call me naive but I think this is also a good place to make small agreements that erase stupid differences. Maybe we agree with all of you about our lack of good taste and know how to programming but that's another conversation. We thank you anyway that despite the desire to vomit that you have looking at our entries, you share the space to express ourselves xD cheers! |
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Mixer
Registered: Apr 2008
Posts: 422 |
I suppose that a scener naturally makes a demo to express his reaction to the events of the world when someone else might tweet or post something on their FB page, in that context I approve. The events of the crisis are discussed literally everywhere now, and in that context I'd keep the discussion elsewhere. As Raistlin pointed out, it will get out of hand very quickly. Also, I do not see any Ukrainian or Russian demos, and there is no discussion or "solving differences" without both parties expressing their thoughts. |
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Brush
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 21 |
Gents, you will do what you want and i admire any gestures comming stright from a good heart. But if you really want to help, i will loosely paraphrase a twitter thread i've read recently: if you, the (mostly)IT guys want to support Ukraine in a meaningful way and don't know how - the answer is simple: earn as much money as you can with your skills and donate to the professional organisation that do actual help now. The time for "statement demos" is before the war (or after). During the war it's time for some concrete action. "xx bytes for Ukraine" will not help us here in Poland to feed the 1million (and counting) refugees and will not help tha brave Ukrainians to defend themselves in Kiev or Mariupol. If you don't know any good organisation - donate directly to Ukrainian National Bank (https://bank.gov.ua/en/news/all/natsionalniy-bank-vidkriv-rahun..) . I'm not judging anybody so please don't be offended. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11123 |
Depending where you live, you may also want to ask your local organization of choice about what you can do to help them/refugees locally. They need manpower just as bad as money. |
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Frostbyte
Registered: Aug 2003
Posts: 170 |
I wholeheartedly agree, we should be (and many of us already are) helping in all ways we can. However, helping and statement demos aren't mutually exclusive. And I don't believe anyone in their right mind thinks a statement demo constitutes as help any more than thoughts, prayers and picture frames on Facebook. Just wanted to make that clear, at least from my side. :) |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2076 |
Quote: Quoting Frostbytebut maybe it could be just an event, not a compo.
This.
Just don't compete for "winning" then (compo/event, i.e., guess noone hopes to win war with a c64 production) and don't do any ranking after it's over |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2076 |
Dudes...
... more releases (or none if it ain't your thing for whatever reasons)
but less flaming about whether or not you or anyone may/should say/do/quote/link anything or not or who's a dork... (everyone is, at least at times AFAICT) |
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Monte Carlos
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 351 |
I think the debate was not so bad, actually. It's ok to have different opinions and share them.
May it be called event or competition does not matter so much for me. However, it matters what we make of it. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4598 |
Took longer than I thought for this thing to spin out of control. |
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El Jefe
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 68 |
Fully agree with what TheRyk and Monte Carlos said.
Shocker/Onslaught |
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Burglar
Registered: Dec 2004
Posts: 1031 |
Quoting Monte CarlosMay it be called event or competition does not matter so much for me. However, it matters what we make of it.
Since you are the organizer of this event, I'm expecting you to make the decision. I can only hope for wisdom on your side and skip the "compo-fun" part of it. |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2076 |
@WS only listened to some seconds - which sound like CC Catch had the same composer as Rick Astley :D
and now how about BTT -> questions / opinions / ideas / concerns about the competition(s)
If this thread keeps being mostly abused for battle of YT links (or worse), censorship gotta be massive |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2076 |
As IMHO all points on whether or not to do it have been made but
Quoting 'Count Zero'...
since its here now and we have "participating" entries already, it will stay unless Monte calls it off..
I see no reason to leave this thread open just to keep moderators occupied censoring tons of offtopic blahblah.
So either DO make a demo/gfx/music/whatever C64 release about topic "Anti (Ukraine) war" or not - and either put it inside the event/compo or not. But lead political discussion elsewere.
If you want to discuss politics, go to forum64 or Lemon, they might offer some Offtopic areas where that's ok/wanted.
Here on CSDb forums it ain't.
*Closed* until further notice. |
