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2025-01-27 21:08
Fred

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 290
Handle id #23620 : Seven Up

Most releases assigned here are wrongly credited and just done with Anti Isepic which can be done by anyone since it was released to the public.

Before someone disagrees with unassigning Seven Up from it, shall we cleanup the entries or remove them since the scener is unknown?

Also confusing is that Anti Isepic is assigned to Seven-Up Crew but the group is not mentioned. I think a lot of entries are mixed up with Seven Up and vice versa.
2025-01-27 21:18
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11443
I say remove them. Useless freezer shit.
2025-01-27 22:44
Fungus

Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 705
Remove useless frozen shit, this is not scene releases. Also crunched/recrunched stuff with nothing but syslines, also not scene.
2025-01-28 21:10
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2349
Quoting Fungus
... crunched/recrunched stuff with nothing but syslines, also not scene.

like Wavy Navy ?
OK besides a SYS line it's got some disk ID... ;)

Seriously, in theory this also could have been done by anybody, though probably no one used "Daga-Crunch" (which I just GUESS is merely hack of another cruncher or only hacked SYS-line, how do I know, well it's a re-cracker... even from Italy =D not much to expect...)

I've got mixed emotions here about whether to keep re-cracks and freezes.

No one (<- I hope) doubts re-cracks and freezes are lame. But they are out there, they were spread and will keep popping up by mass transferrers... And like in many discussions we seem to keep leading since day One of CSDb, it will always end in the question where to draw the line..., e.g. this dude Dr. Mabuse also didn't much but intro-slap, some of his stuff could be seen as "Import", others are very close to re-cracking due to falsely taking credits himself... Still, everyone living between Flensburg and Hamburg had his stuff, so I think it's worth being preserved from a 'Historian' point of view.

Anyway, the cases Fred found and corrected, are clearly a different matter, imho NOT worth being preserved, mainly as we will probably never know who released them. However, moving all SYS-line-only stuff into the trashcan... would mean quite some work, doing that manually...
2025-01-29 07:15
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4747
If we would scrap all SYS-line releases a big chunk of early scene history would be gone, but of course we should clean up the generic sys-line shit.
2025-01-29 11:06
Fungus

Registered: Sep 2002
Posts: 705
That's what I meant, generic shit done by local lamers. There tends to be proper releases of stuff already, so unless something is unique, I don't see the point in keeping such things. There is some crossover between local boards and stuff and scene, but some kid pressing freeze on his isepic or AR isn't it.

Also most OLD cracks are branded in game somewhere, in fact I never saw one which wasn't. So that's another argument for the sysline is mostly nonsense.

But that's not up to us, it's up to you.

I also disagree with removing tools used by the scene, just because they weren't coded by a scener, but a lot of that has happened, unfortunately.
2025-01-30 11:52
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4747
Quote: That's what I meant, generic shit done by local lamers. There tends to be proper releases of stuff already, so unless something is unique, I don't see the point in keeping such things. There is some crossover between local boards and stuff and scene, but some kid pressing freeze on his isepic or AR isn't it.

Also most OLD cracks are branded in game somewhere, in fact I never saw one which wasn't. So that's another argument for the sysline is mostly nonsense.

But that's not up to us, it's up to you.

I also disagree with removing tools used by the scene, just because they weren't coded by a scener, but a lot of that has happened, unfortunately.


Early Swedes did it a lot, like 1701 Crackware and Computerbrains Cracking Service (In the CCS case, there are many generic crunched stuff using a CCS cruncher that should be eliminated though).
2025-01-30 21:34
bugjam

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 2633
I remember many years ago, I did a thorough examination of the different Seven-Up groups/sceners, compiling stuff like greetings into an excel file and comparing, to find out which is from which. But everything added since then is of course not included... I wonder if I still have that Excel file somewhere
2025-01-30 23:42
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2349
just stumbled over
Super Lem [italian]

also only sys line and disk-id
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