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2005-09-04 17:18
Bamu®
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Speech-Synthesis

Hi,

There are only few people, who used ring-modulation to simulate Speech....
I even want try it, but unfortunately I don't have any idea how this works
Before I waste time by testing I ask here: Is there someone with knowledge?

Btw: Is there someone who can tell me, what the voice in AGEMIXER'S song "Da Shit (Eastwood Jack's Red..)" says?
 
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2005-09-06 11:02
yago

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Viznut did also some speech-synthesizing (i did not yet research how he did it..)
Who Cares
2005-09-06 11:40
Krill

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yago: viznut simply replays sampled phonems and $d418, afaik. this thread here is focussing on pseudo-speechsynth using sid voices :D
2005-09-06 12:07
Hate Bush

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Jeff: which filter did you use? While working on my Primary Star '05 msx compo entry (which contains its title spoken out by two channels of SID) I noticed that high pass gives the best results, especially if the cutoff frequencies change suddenly.
Also pulse width (of the modulated signal) seems to be important, 'coz it helps in recreating vowels, and more.
2005-09-06 17:31
Bamu®
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Quote: The problem with speechsynthesis using sidwaves and ringmod is that you get the best result by using filters and as we
know there are way too many sid-revisions with different filtercutoff-ranges. Did a test last year though and made an example that "says": VIRUZ, with a deep vocoder-like sound, but then again it it relies too much on the filter my 6581r4 sid uses. But I had a lot of fun doing vocoder-like sounds on my good old trusty Roland XP-50 synth, by using the same technique, more or less. Well, apart from using 2 filters instead of 1.
:-)


But 8580 filters should work fine?
I'm really wondering how it's possible to simulate spoken words very quickly. I really dont wnat spent weeks for maybe one word....
2005-09-06 18:10
Graham
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http://www.arl.wustl.edu/~jaf/lpc/

okok the SID cannot do LPC, but atleast it has a filter with variable cutoff frequency, so maybe similar methods like LPC are possible to be applied.
2005-09-06 19:06
Soren

Registered: Dec 2001
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Randall: I think I use either Bandpass or a combined filter.
Reason: the "voice" is quite deep, so I didn't want it to loose too much of the bass. But I used 2 voices aswell :)
Btw, keep up the good job you're doing in composing ;-)
Interesting stuff!

2005-09-06 19:09
Soren

Registered: Dec 2001
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nata: well should work on 8580 too, but with different filtercutoff values. But prepare yourself for some work, as it takes some time to do. Atleast if you want it good+detailed.
2005-09-07 06:55
HCL

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@nata: I really dont wnat spent weeks for maybe one word....

What do you mean?!? Why NOT? Just buy your self a scene spirit!
2005-09-07 07:57
Bamu®
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But how do I have to start?
I really need a bit more tips.
Maybe out there are some docs on generating Speech.....
2005-09-07 10:11
Hein

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Quote: But how do I have to start?
I really need a bit more tips.
Maybe out there are some docs on generating Speech.....


Goattracker 1, 1speed crappy example. I've used this in a 2speed example too, but thats going to be used within the next 10 years in a Focus demo.

http://www.sinapism.net/goattrackersongs/robotvoice2.sng

it sounds good on 6581 sidplay2, rather high filtered on 8580, but heck, ITS A TEST, the best excuse for crap.

You can try using 2 or 4 or 8 speed for better result.
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