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2009-04-08 11:51
goto80

Registered: Jan 2002
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timeline of SID achievements

I'm looking for a timeline of SID achievements. Does this exist? A list of important software (trackers and non-trackers, midi-sequencers and midi-slaves, sample-players and "drum machines", generatives, remix-tools, etc) and SID-tricks (playing digi-stuff, multispeed, hardrestart, etc). Who, where, when, how, why. I think a timeline over these things would be important to put together, if it doesn't already exist.

(I work on a timeline of chip music in general here: chipflip.wordpress.com/timeline. It is far from finished, of course. Suggestions are very welcome)

 
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2009-04-18 17:08
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148
*afaik* they are actually (poorly) emulated.
2009-04-18 18:03
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
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Quote: *afaik* they are actually (poorly) emulated.

unpacked yo.exe, no sidfile or 6502 code in it.
2009-04-18 18:06
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148
ah, ok then :)
2009-04-18 18:14
iAN CooG

Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3138
The only pc production I know that uses an actual sid file and a simple emulation is turrican32k by farbrausch, I know about it because I've ripped it and sent to HVSC some year ago =)
Turrican 32k
2009-04-18 19:14
chatGPZ

Registered: Dec 2001
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btw while we are at: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=3762 features actual (kinda poor =P) sid emulation too :)
2009-04-19 19:05
Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
Posts: 1630
Well, that stuff may be relevant too. I was, however, rather thinking of particular findings about the detailed workings of the SID, such as the one referred to here, which consists in the documentation of a slight difference between the 6581 and the 8580:

http://codebase64.org/doku.php?id=base:detecting_sid_type_-_saf..

Then again, this sort of details are perhaps not really considered "breakthroughs" or "milestones"...
2009-04-20 09:35
SIDWAVE
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First demo to detect 6581/8580 was 2nd Reality C64 version
2009-04-20 10:06
A Life in Hell
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Quote: First demo to detect 6581/8580 was 2nd Reality C64 version

At least mathematica did it ~2 years before that, and I don't think it was the first either
2009-04-20 10:18
Frantic

Registered: Mar 2003
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@Rambo: Dunno if that is what you meant, but I wasn't referring to "SID detection", but to the documentation of a difference between the chips. (But sid detection is relevant in itself too, of course.)
2009-04-21 06:49
SIDWAVE
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I think 'documentation' for differences in 6581/8580 were made by Michael Schwendt, as he optimized SIDPLAY for both chips, around 1996-97. However, this documentation is written down nowhere in public..
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