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2021-10-13 10:57
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 1109
What's an import?

As one of your favourite mods Count Zero keeps cracking his head about the CSDb crack sub category "Import", let's help him, so he finally can focus on more productive issues.

Here's some rotten forum freds frome around a decade ago on how it emerged:
- Adding the cracker group to import/trainer version (Rough raising the question how to distinguish group-b-introlinked cracks originally made by group-a from group-a's release)
- Suggestion: New release type "C64 Import" (bepp calling for a new release type)
- PAL to PAL imports (Didi's view, especially doubting Imports without Video Standard fixes make sense)

So do we need the "Import" flag at all?
Should we limit it to the days when BBSes and snailmail were the only way of getting cracks across borders and oceans?
Is a crack made in one Western German city intro-linked in another Western German city an import?
Do we need another category/flag ("Lame Intro Linked Version without any advantages over original crack") instead?
Do more categories/flags really make things clearer or rather create more confusion?

Now go, fight.
 
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2021-10-16 10:13
Oswald

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 4736
Quote: Yeah, and an import from one village to the neighbouring village is technically enough to warrant another intro and the "import" tag, imho. =)

Whether or not it's a worthy import and the importer had to fend off bears with bare hands and morse the thing via smoke signals etc., another thing.


as ws mentions imports mostly meant bringing in games that were not released in your country. fex. I had a street rod version with an american crack and belonging intro that had rasters off coz it was ntsc timed, and a european import group intro.
2021-10-16 13:52
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 10071
Quote:
Rather overhaul csdb in places where it matters like cross referencing and original release dates than nitpicking over things like "imports".

Nothing like this will ever happen, because the one person who could do it lost interest. So we try to simulate progress by discussing the same things again and again.
2021-10-17 01:59
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 1109
Quote:
From an experience in my country, when most of the stuff was imported from the west side and the local groups slam their intro in front of the old one, is this considered a valid "Import" ?

Majority of ppl having posted their view would say: Yes. However, the trade between US and Europe mattered way more than let's say what's been traded from Bochum to Duisburg or from Köln-Kalk to Köln-Müngersdorf. No doubt about it.

Quoting ws
Hello oldfarts, ... Like the US NTSC version of an all english game really didn't make too much sense to be released in germany, because the germs just were'nt used to read english stuff. They needed Zack Mc Cracken in german to have an impact. ...
Imho only true from a commercial marketing view. At least me and the kids I hung around with even were ready to learn English suddenly when ESI's crack (imported by whatever group with intros from Hotline (Netherland) and West End Boys (Kiel) linked in front of it arrived on our school yard - ages before the German version was available at all.

@Groepaz: No reason to beat around the bush, it's (hopefully) well-known meanwhile that there's only one admin - and the 8 active mods can agree on whatever but not implement it, only Perff can do it. But he is gonna read this and might(!) sooner or later recall it - or not when/if he considers re-doing structural aspects. Wouldn't call that "simulating progress" but rather showing good will/open-mindedness although we can't make promises ^^
2021-10-17 02:31
Groepaz

Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 10071
A lot you have to learn young padawan :)
2021-10-17 14:48
wacek

Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 376
Just to be a dick here ;) this whole thing is waaaay less important than implementing tool subcategories/flags.
But hey, isn't pointless discussions about things that are not important a lot of fun that also makes you feel like you're doing something... ;)
2021-10-17 18:16
Zyron

Registered: Jan 2002
Posts: 2345
This thread is full of inspirational quotes. ;)
2021-10-17 22:21
Jazzcat

Registered: Feb 2002
Posts: 1015
My view: "Imports"/"importing" should only be considered the trade (connection) between the US and Europe and vice-versa. The rest simply does not matter and is largely composed of "lamer stuff", which should be tagged/recognised in a different manner to "importing".

Note: From a historical perspective: Fucked Beyond Repair (FBR) (and maybe The Survivors) were some of the more famous EARLY importing groups. In the North American scene, the concept of "importing" AND "cracking" (by the same group) wasn't that popular until the late 80s. Cracking was considered far more "elite" than importing (with the latter considered a step-down/no skill required). This changed, particularly with the focus of "NTSC fixing" and the recognition of "fixing" in early mags such as Influx or Chaos Chronicle.
2021-10-18 00:34
chancer

Registered: Apr 2003
Posts: 304
had a few of the BYG things put out in italy as "imports"

sorry , it's not bringing anything to the table.. ntsc fixing etc. different matter..

technically , yes it's in a foreign land.. but I don't see it any different from me slapping my intro in front of a derby ram / tri dos etc / bod intro.

semantics.. it's imported.. but nothing extra has been done.
2021-10-18 20:26
TheRyk

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 1109
Just stumbled over
Overlander +3
and thought, better post it here as a proof, even totally silly re-imports having only 2 importing groups intros (one PAL one NTSC, none of them fixed) left but original intro stripped - not exist not only in Count Zero's nightmares, but they _ARE_ out there.
2021-10-18 22:28
Count Zero

Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1460
Only getting Wet Dreams (NTSC fixed! - unimported!) from Import by Vision - Generic Import-Demo for anything on the disc! SO COOL! :)
Labeled with "C64 Misc." - oh my :(
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