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2020-01-08 21:32
Kickback

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 86
Compo voting

I'm pretty sure this has been asked before, but I'm just curious, and don't mean to open dead horse.

Maybe viewing of voting during a compo should be turned off.
The reason being, is (ofcourse) the downvoting crap, that has been going on for years.

If CSDB doesn't want to fix it, then just turn it off (viewing) during a compo, and have it where folks can only vote.
Once the compo is over, then it can be turned back on, and everybody is happy :)

Just my 2cents
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2020-01-09 16:17
ZeSmasher

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 382
Wertstahl: CSDb voting is part of scene drama. scene drama exists since day1.
but I wanted to tell you that you are my hero and I love all your productions :)
2020-01-09 18:05
Wertstahl

Registered: Apr 2012
Posts: 39
ZeSmasher: i raise my glass (of wheat beer) towards your general direction! :-)
2020-01-09 18:36
Kickback

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 86
As I said before, this wasn't meant to open old wounds, but seriously it 2020, this shit needs to be fixed.

Why not just fork lift the voting out of csdb, and do as we did back in the day. Create a prg with the vote rankings in it

As how we get the votes, not sure there, but shit it worked back in the day.

@Zyron: I totally agree with you, but unfortunately we still have some 50 year old sceners in diapers!

Just my 2cents.
Kickback
2020-01-09 18:59
Mr.Ammo

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 222
Quoting Kickback
The reason being, is (ofcourse) the downvoting crap, that has been going on for years.
Downvoting does not exist. People are merely expressing their opinion. If you don't like it, then don't enter the compo.

Btw, CSDb uses a weighted average for the CSDb rating which should fix the crap you believe exists.
2020-01-09 19:09
Mr.Ammo

Registered: Oct 2002
Posts: 222
Quoting hedning
Why even have the function to view people's votes.
It's called transparency.

I don't think you can see what other people vote (except for the suckers who turned off anonymous voting), you can only see how many votes there are on which score.
2020-01-09 19:25
ZeSmasher

Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 382
Quote:
I don't think you can see what other people vote (except for the suckers who turned off anonymous voting), you can only see how many votes there are on which score.

oh, I'm a sucker, and proud of that.
2020-01-09 22:36
hedning

Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2612
Quote: Quoting hedning
Why even have the function to view people's votes.
It's called transparency.

I don't think you can see what other people vote (except for the suckers who turned off anonymous voting), you can only see how many votes there are on which score.


Why is that a good thing? Why not only show the sum of votes and amount of votes? To tend to the constant-moaning-about-down-and-upvoting problem, I mean. It is triggered by people that think that everything below 7 is a downvote. If they can't see that they would perhaps calm down.
2020-01-10 01:37
Kickback

Registered: Apr 2004
Posts: 86
Quote: Quoting Kickback
The reason being, is (ofcourse) the downvoting crap, that has been going on for years.
Downvoting does not exist. People are merely expressing their opinion. If you don't like it, then don't enter the compo.

Btw, CSDb uses a weighted average for the CSDb rating which should fix the crap you believe exists.


** Please forgive my post here **

Sometime you have to stoop down to certain people's levels.

Downvoting to me is, if you have product and someone votes a 1
Get it?

Now, unless this is a intro creator kit, and people are panning it off as there own work, then yes I will agree.

But, if this is clearly something a person put a good amount of time/ into (and time is very little these days with kids) and someone votes a 1.

It's not so much about the voting with me, which I could careless. It's more so about the respect for the person who put their time/effort into making the product.

And, as to entering a compo. I enter for the fun of it, and could careless about who votes for it.

This is a hobby, and will remain as such :)

Thanks again!
Kickback
2020-01-10 09:45
Flotsam

Registered: Jan 2004
Posts: 27
I don't know how CSDB's implementation of weighted average exactly works (I presume numbers differing wildly from general consensus are given a smaller weight), but I can see problems in CSDB compos based on voting since only a few people give a vote to all attending productions. So, let's imagine there are two identical productions on a compo. Person A only gives a vote for production 1 and person B only gives a vote for production 2. Person A has a habit of using full scale (1-10), but person B is the kind of lovely human being who loves everyone and everything and only uses scale 9-10. They both think the production they are voting is ok'ish, but person A votes 5(middle) and person B votes 9(his/hers low to mid). With pretty low average vote counts in CSDB this might make a noticeable difference.

Downvoting of course sucks, but even if such phenomenom doesn't exist (I sure hope it doesn't) the compo results are at least somewhat random.

Solution: Don't give a f*ck. Who cares. I personally don't give much weight on scores, but I do value every comment, be it positive or negative. This is about having fun, sharing, being social with like minded people. Anonymous votes mean nothing.
2020-01-10 10:28
Didi

Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 367
CSDb is not made to host competitions, I know. But people are lazy and competitions where the voting was done outside resulted in very less people voting at all. So for my competitions I prefer to live with the few cowards doing strategic downvoting and encourage all others to make them effectless by placing a lot of fair votes against them.
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