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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 227 |
Anyone knows what happened to vice.pokefinder.org?
Seems like there is no new build on http://vice.pokefinder.org/ since the 08.05.2017.
I already mailed them but did not get a reply back.
Anyone knows what's up with the site? I guess it's the only site to get daily builds of the latest WinVice? |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
I am on vacation and a linux user - stay tuned until I care to fix that silly repo problem. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 227 |
Looked for the latest WinVice nightly these days and noticed that the last version was from like may? No new nightlies anymore?
Today it seems the site is down?
http://vice.pokefinder.org/ |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
you broke pokefinder? shame on you!
i think count is working on the server, we'll see what happens in some hours. or days. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
Or years.
Have to check with Blacky to get the GTK build shice going. X64 builds dont seem to follow the --no-arch switch completely and crash on various machines while working on others. 32bit builds fail to build properly.
Given the tremendous feedback and desire for the nightlies I dont feel a strong urge to hurry currently though. Dano and Bacchus seem to be the only ones wanting new downloads :) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1727 |
Quote: Or years.
Have to check with Blacky to get the GTK build shice going. X64 builds dont seem to follow the --no-arch switch completely and crash on various machines while working on others. 32bit builds fail to build properly.
Given the tremendous feedback and desire for the nightlies I dont feel a strong urge to hurry currently though. Dano and Bacchus seem to be the only ones wanting new downloads :)
I always built locally, but that dev-machine is still 32-bit (shame on me), so making 32-bit builds work would be smashing! |
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oziphantom
Registered: Oct 2014
Posts: 480 |
if you can get new versions of WINVice sure, sounds great.. the GTK version is a bit useless to me at the moment though... But would love some new WineVICEs so I can test if the 1581 format issue is fixed ;) |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
WineVICE?
Any new "WinVICE" builds will be GTK. |
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oziphantom
Registered: Oct 2014
Posts: 480 |
I know |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
Quote:WineVICE
thats such a brilliant freudian slip, thank you.
the "crashes randomly on other peoples machines" was fixed (hopefully) a couple days ago, iirc. it was a fancy packaging issue with GTK or something like that.
as for 32bit - if you really need that, you might want giving it a try a help fixing it - else probably noone will give a damn, since we are all using 64bit boxes now. i wouldnt even know how to make a (clean) 32bit build here atm :) |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
Re: the crashes being fixed... I don’t suppose that would’ve fixed the issue I see when launching Vice on my PC via Remote Desktop on my phone..? I realise it’s an edge case and most people probably wouldn’t do something t so crazy... but....... hardcore :-p |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
haha, i doubt thats related :) |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
Ah... well, the Remote Desktop crash pops up an error along the lines of that GL doesn't support non-power-of-2 textures ... I'm not sure why Remote Desktop would cause that problem though...............
(this didn't happen on older pre-Gtk versions, I'm able to run those fine over RD) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
probably just the GL implementation on that phone sucks =P
i'd try with the sdl2 version, on the phone, natively :) |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
New builds available - whopping 100MB and 45 DLLs ... seems there is room for optimisations. |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3137 |
222mb for a c64 emulator, you guys must be joking. :D |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
you can always use the SDL build :) |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1994 |
Quote: you can always use the SDL build :)
My preferred build nowadays. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
hopefully we find out how to statically link all those .dlls to each .exe some day - so we can break the 1GB barrier |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1994 |
Quote: hopefully we find out how to statically link all those .dlls to each .exe some day - so we can break the 1GB barrier
I suppose the whole save / record media takes 95% of the space |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
no idea really :) ask the windows maintainer =) |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
I've noticed with the latest nightly build that breakpoints appear to be broken ... as soon as I set one and exit the monitor, execution stops. Each time I exit it single steps through the code...
ie. Vice seems to constantly think that it's hitting my code breakpoint when it's not...
I use x64sc.
3.2 r35432:35435 (Gtk3) works fine so I've reverted to this version for now. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 227 |
Downloaded the latest GTK Build, but i still can't find where to save the inserted Action Replay cart as standard?
I can't seem to be able to attach a RetroReplay (bin) file which i used in WinVice up to now..? |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
I can confirm Danos' and Raistlins' problems. Time to visit the bugtracker! :) |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Quoting danoDownloaded the latest GTK Build, but i still can't find where to save the inserted Action Replay cart as standard?
That might be missing in the UI, I'll look into that.
Quoting danoI can't seem to be able to attach a RetroReplay (bin) file which i used in WinVice up to now..?
Select "Attach cartridge image..." in the menu, and in the dialog in the lower left corner should be a combobox 'cartridge type': select "Freezer". Now a new comboxbox ('Cartridge ID') should show up in the dialog where you can select "Retro Replay". Now you can select the RR bin image and click Attach. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
Hm, where is the "true" Action Replay gone? Did I miss some deletion? |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 227 |
A standard ActionReplay crt i could attach without any changes.
Yes i did miss that ComboBox on the left with all the types. Changed it correctly and now it works. I knew i was just blind (again) ^^ :) |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 227 |
(x64sc.exe:27240): Gtk-WARNING **: 14:22:45.354: Could not find the icon 'missing-image-ltr'. The 'hicolor' theme
was not found either, perhaps you need to install it.
You can get a copy from:
http://icon-theme.freedesktop.org/releases
Is this the source problem to x64sc not having a taskbar-icon under windows? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
no, there simply is no icon now. we will fix that once the gazillion other things are fixed. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
"I've noticed with the latest nightly build that breakpoints appear to be broken ... as soon as I set one and exit the monitor, execution stops. Each time I exit it single steps through the code..."
i cant reproduce it in r35569 on windows - please tell *exactly* what you are doing
the "set this cartridge as default" indeed seems to be missing in the settings - good catch |
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Flavioweb
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 447 |
Quoting Groepaz
the "set this cartridge as default" indeed seems to be missing in the settings - good catch
Yep... this one in missing into gtk3 linux build too... |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
of course - its the same GUI |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
My repro steps were:-
Enter monitor
Optional: del (delete all existing breakpoints)
BK 4000
x
and then Vice would simply break immediately at the next instruction.
I tried doing the "reset to factory" on the settings to no avail (just in case I'd changed something that was untested).
And by the way, while we're talking about missing menu options, I think "Pause Emulation" has disappeared as well..? Alt-P works fine of course. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
click on the cpu/fps indicator in the statusbar :)
mmmh. what i did was break ea31, x ... and it triggers (as expected) repeatedly at ea31. *shrug*. will have to check with the nightly |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
"click on the cpu/fps indicator in the statusbar :)"
Umm... it does nothing for me :-( .. the mouse pointer turns to a hand as though it should do something when you click - but it doesn't...
It does tell me that the emulator is paused, though, which is cool.
Generally, that's a fantastic idea putting the oft-used stuff on the status bar by the way. That would be a huge time saver for me allowing disks to be mounted just by clicking on that Disk section ... my memory is the problem as I need to snap out of using the File menu to do that ;-) |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Quoting Raistlin"click on the cpu/fps indicator in the statusbar :)"
Umm... it does nothing for me :-( .. the mouse pointer turns to a hand as though it should do something when you click - but it doesn't...
When I right-click on the cpu/fps indicator widget, I get the popup menu as expected. Now, this may seem as a silly question, but: did you try right-click?
If neither button works, we have a bug somewhere. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
checked the breakpoint thing again - i can reproduce it with the last nightly build. however when i build it myself, there is no such problem. no idea how to fix it this way :) |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
Quote: checked the breakpoint thing again - i can reproduce it with the last nightly build. however when i build it myself, there is no such problem. no idea how to fix it this way :)
Oh crappity... is there any way to get a copy of your build to me..? (I realise that I could build it myself... perhaps... if it builds on Visual Studio?) |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Raistlin: did you check the right-click on cpu/fps yet?
Also, we don't have any VS stuff, nobody ever used it and it was a hell to maintai, so it was removed.
To build Gtk3 on Windows you'll need msys2 and a crapload of libraries. I can help you set it up, it's pretty easy *cough* |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
Cool. I won’t be able to get to it until after X though because.. umm.. reasons ;-) ... but i’d definitely like to get it compiling. Who knows, I might be able to help with something ;-) |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 227 |
Just downloaded GTK3VICE-3.2-win32-r35575 and setup retroreplay as my cartridge. worked fine, as expected.
Then i started Booze' Demo Mekanix, which i used to check if the emu can hold a stable 50fps on my ultrabook.
But the demo now has some really strange visual bugs with sprites not displaying correctly.
Removed the cart and there bugs still are there.
Seems like a sprite color is missing or not displayed?
https://ibb.co/eV4SYp
https://ibb.co/fa1D69 |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
strange enough, it works just fine with that build on my laptop. *shrug*
edit: tried with RR attached - also works fine
bring that ultrabook to X - no way to debug this when it cant be reproduced :( it *could* be a strange incompatibility with that 32bit build. or something. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1994 |
Quote: strange enough, it works just fine with that build on my laptop. *shrug*
edit: tried with RR attached - also works fine
bring that ultrabook to X - no way to debug this when it cant be reproduced :( it *could* be a strange incompatibility with that 32bit build. or something.
Feels like uninitialized memory / variables. Have you run static code analysis on VICE? Still weird, should have been noticed earlier. |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1994 |
Quote: Just downloaded GTK3VICE-3.2-win32-r35575 and setup retroreplay as my cartridge. worked fine, as expected.
Then i started Booze' Demo Mekanix, which i used to check if the emu can hold a stable 50fps on my ultrabook.
But the demo now has some really strange visual bugs with sprites not displaying correctly.
Removed the cart and there bugs still are there.
Seems like a sprite color is missing or not displayed?
https://ibb.co/eV4SYp
https://ibb.co/fa1D69
Also, have you wiped your .vicerc file. All sorts of hell can break loose if you mix versions there |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 227 |
Have you run static code analysis on VICE? Still weird, should have been noticed earlier.
Erm.. What?
Also, have you wiped your .vicerc file. All sorts of hell can break loose if you mix versions there
Searched my whole drive here, could not find such a file?
Strangeness continues.. Tried the same with my Laptop at work (Windows 10 Maschine also, latest updates. Fujitsu Lifebook U7478, i7-8550U), and the erros occur here too.
I did the same as at home.
Downloaded the file.
Depacked the GTK Folder to some folder on my drive (no over-depack into an existing folder)
Started x64sc.exe
Attached RetroReplay as standard cart
Attached Mekanix D64
Run demo
Just the same as at home.
EDIT: GTK3VICE-3.2-win32-r35544 using the same as above works. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
i am *really* puzzled by the fact that the same binaries produce different results here and there.
as for static code analysis, what kind of tool(s) do you suggest? :) |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1994 |
Quote: i am *really* puzzled by the fact that the same binaries produce different results here and there.
as for static code analysis, what kind of tool(s) do you suggest? :)
I have too little experience in running such tools and it might not be viable for VICE. I dunno. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
apparently the problem can be reproduced in the macOS build too - so there is a job for you right there =) |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1994 |
Actually running the VICE-instance via Valgrind should also detect uninitialised memory etc. That might be a more viable option. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
so, do it :) i tried it here and got nothing worth noting |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1994 |
Quote: so, do it :) i tried it here and got nothing worth noting
I trust your skills in those matters.
Intermittent behaviour is usually caused by uninitialised states, race conditions or problems with external dependencies.
I still woudn't rule out uninitialised states. It *might* be a bug in Mekanix and that the .vicerc files differes somehow triggering the bug. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
you are just lazy =) |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1994 |
Quote: you are just lazy =)
=) |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1994 |
Quote: you are just lazy =)
checking for a 64-bit only build... no
checking for a 32-bit only build... no
checking for a supported OS... ok (darwin18.0.0)
checking for the kernel version... unsupported (18.0.0)
configure: error: Valgrind works on Darwin 10.x, 11.x, 12.x, 13.x, 14.x, 15.x, 16.x and 17.x (Mac OS X 10.6/7/8/9/10/11 and macOS 10.12/13) |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1994 |
Quote: checking for a 64-bit only build... no
checking for a 32-bit only build... no
checking for a supported OS... ok (darwin18.0.0)
checking for the kernel version... unsupported (18.0.0)
configure: error: Valgrind works on Darwin 10.x, 11.x, 12.x, 13.x, 14.x, 15.x, 16.x and 17.x (Mac OS X 10.6/7/8/9/10/11 and macOS 10.12/13)
I have tons of excuses to choose from! \\o/ |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
haha =) |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
The sprite bugs reported by Dano have been fixed in trunk. While fixing some -Wshadow bugs in the viciisc code I missed a shadowed var reference and that made the updating of $d027-$d02e fail. /o\
Sorry about that. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 227 |
Thanks for the instant fixing! \o/ |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
You're welcome, sorry for fucking up the code :) |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
I think I managed to fix the monitor breakpoint bug. Seems the inclusion of <stdbool.h> in gtk3/archdep.h caused trouble with the monitor code, probably due to lex/yuck having a bool of a different size. Tested this on a 32-bit Linux VM and the breakpoint stuff works again.
Haven't been able to test it with a win32 Gtk3 build via msys2, somehow linking against C++ code fails, though this works fine with Win64 builds. Another thing to look into.
Anyway, next time these bugs occur, we would very much appreciate it if these bugs are also reported on our bug tracker. There's a few VICE devs lurking on CSDb, but not all.
Ofcourse if you won't/can't use our bug tracker, at least post here, without bug reports we can't fix bugs. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
Awesome, if there's another Nightly update will the fix be in?
We should chat at X... maybe we can get my laptop hooked up and compiling Vice?
I'd like to see if I can get Vice compiling on my system .. that way I can report bugs and possibly fix them at the same time ;-) ... i have some cool tools available to me that might highlight hard-to-find problems and/or performance issues in the code, too (tools that we've developed here ourselves that aren't publicly available)... but only if I can get the code compiling on my Win64 laptop/PC ;-) |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Hopefully pokefinder can indeed build the gtk3-win32 port.
I probably won't be at X due to ... personal issues. But if you need help setting up the build system for Gtk3-Windows, I can help via irc or email. Depending on your internet speed, it can be set up in about an hour. For some reason msys2 needs to pull down 1-1.5 GB of packages :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
i'll be there. but i'll be very drunk and stoned - so no guarantees on the state of your laptop after letting me set up anything =D |
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JackAsser
Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 1994 |
Quote: i'll be there. but i'll be very drunk and stoned - so no guarantees on the state of your laptop after letting me set up anything =D
Bwahaha |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
Perfect. In that state it should be easy for me to get you to approve some pull requests. |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Quoting RaistlinPerfect. In that state it should be easy for me to get you to approve some pull requests.
Wat? when did we switch to Git? |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
Woohoo, you're on Perforce Cloud? Perfect. I -hate- Git. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
we use VSS obviously |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
If you really were using VSS, you'd be better off just putting the whole source onto USB and then storing it in a really, really dry forest at night while playing with lit matches. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
I just grabbed the latest Nightly build and can confirm that the debugging issue is now fixed :-) |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
Can anybody confirm the following problem pls:
- Load something that crashes e.g. Planet X
- On the crash dialog choose to activate the monitor
- Enlarge the monitor window as usual ...
- "i 0800 d000" and then use the window slider to the right to move the output. Around $a000 I am getting a hard VICE crash. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
on windows? on linux this works here |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Strange, I built Gtk3VICE-x64 on Win10 with msys2 and managed to make the monitor window hang once by doing `i 0800 d000` and then resizing the window and attempting to scroll up.
Any attempt after that results in normal behaviour, I can scroll up to $3410, which appears to be the size of the VTE buffer (ie ~ 1000 lines), it doesn't scroll up after that.
I assume this also works with POKE2,2:SYS2 ? Makes for quicker testing. |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
I get some odd crashes in the Monitor on Windows... if I can get the code compiling I can take a look at the cause... it seems to happen when I switch to other apps (eg. Visual Studio) and switch back. Sometimes if i’ve been viewing memory (eg M 8000) then as i switch back to Vice I see that the memory output has highlighting 100% red ... and then it crashes.
Can’t easily give repro steps other than this so i’ll myself sometime soon. |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
I am getting the crash under Windows 7 with the latest nightly r35622 still. The window resize is not even required - using the slider always leads to a crash here.
PS: and yes - crashes with POKE2,2:SYS2 as well. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
is it actually related to CPU JAM? |
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Count Zero
Registered: Jan 2003
Posts: 1825 |
No :)
ALT+H for monitor, "i 0800 d000", then use the slider. Crashes always. |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Nightly builds also fails on my Win10 box with `i 0800 d000`, but it works when setting `bank ram`. I get a lot of non-ascii tokens in the monitor with the $a000+ stuff even causing the monitor to output some text with a red background.
On 64-bit Gtk3VICE, these non-ascii tokens are properly replaced with normal ascii tokens ('.' for non-ascii).
So somehow the 32-bit build doesn't properly translate the data into printable characters and vte fails. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 227 |
out of curiosity.. is there any benefit on having a 64bit version of vice instead of the 32bit?
would be nice if the site had the 64bit version then aswell. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
the benefit is that a single nightly build works on all windows (more or less =P). you should be glad anyone gives a damn to even provide this. |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Count zero:
Try setting LC_ALL=C, that appears to "solve" the problem. When using msys2 you can use `LC_ALL=C src/x64`, on Windows with cmd.exe you'll have to use `set LC_ALL=C` before running x64.exe.
So now we need to find a way to set the proper charset inside VICE, ie avoid Gtk3 using Unicode/UTF-8. |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 227 |
got the latest GTK3VICE-3.2-win32-r35685 from pokefinder today and noticed that the "minimum" display size looks somewhat scaled:
https://ibb.co/k0E1JA
f.e. the "r" in ram or the "c" in cyberpunx.
if i took a screenshot/media it looks correct, but this minimum sized display is surely missing some pixels.
..not sure if this is just a windows thing?
EDIT: if i uncheck "keep aspect ratio" is seems to look correct? sizing the window up and then down again still keeps a somewhat proper minimum size. hth? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11148 |
that stuff seems indeed a bit funky on windows - have patience :) McMartin is currently fixing SDL2 rendering, hopefully he'll look at GTK after that :) |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
I noticed the nightlies ended on New Year's Eve ... any plans for these to kick off again? |
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Dano
Registered: Jul 2004
Posts: 227 |
You can find the latest nightly from someone from the lemon forum here:
https://mega.nz/#F!HklwlAZS!vDiSevLlzGQUQL6wOmvhUg
NB: Actually it's not that hard to build vice yourself from the sources as i always expected. And it works nicely on my system here (though i need to run it on my Nvidia on the laptop, as the Intel graphics are not supported with the GTK or something. Look here:
https://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=70098&start=195 |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 575 |
Thanks Dano! Perfect :-) |
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Impetigo
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 30 |
Looks like it's back.
https://www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=890035#890035
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