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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
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Platform tag & other ideas
It would be really nice if here on csdb we could unite with other small commodore scenes. Like on Pouet each release could have an additional platform tag, so we could allow entrys from vic20, plus4, c128 etc. I suggest to have only the 8 bit commodore line machines, as the amiga line is too far away from the c64 scene, and it has its own sites since ages anyway.
Would be fun to see here viznut's/britelite's fine vic 20 demos, various plus4 releases, etc.
Probably this needs major DB changes so maybe this is just something for CSDB V2.
other ideas:
- it would be nice if the topic lists would be breaken up into pages.
- search function amongst topic titles would be more useful than getting 1000+ results of various random topic posts or atleast different hits from the same topic could be united into just one single hit.
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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well, yes. csdb (aka "C-64 scene database") is polluted with a lot of non c64 stuff already. if thats the way to go, there should be platform tags (and it should probably be renamed to "commodore scene database" or sth). if not, the non c64 stuff should be removed, imho. |
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Graham
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Since it's "Commodore Scene DataBase" I think it is valid to include VIC20 and C16/+4 stuff, especially because both of these scenes share a lot of sceners with the C64 scene. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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well right now its _not_ "commodore scene database" :o) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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I vote to remove all non-c64 stuff. |
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jailbird
Registered: Dec 2001
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In case TDJ isn't sarcastic, I second him. Other platform C64 tools could stay, though. |
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T.M.R
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i'm going to be difficult and say i'd like to see other formats in the database but with a filter so that those who want to stick to C64 stuff can "hide" the other platforms. This is nothing to do with me having some Plus/4 and VIC stuff in me catalogue at all, nope. =-)
[Smiles *everso* sweetly, looks for a hiding place =-] |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Me sarcastic? Never!
But in this case, I'm really not. There's enough <crap> in here as it is, we don't need more coming from other scenes.
And TMR, why are you here while c64.sk is being abused? Go go go! That smile don't fool nobody! |
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Tch
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I don´t care.
Everybody seems to be doing his C64 stuff on a PC nowadays.
Me aswell,but I only use C64 programs in Vice.
Aslong as you enjoy yourself,it doesn´t matter.. |
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T.M.R
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Quote: Me sarcastic? Never!
But in this case, I'm really not. There's enough <crap> in here as it is, we don't need more coming from other scenes.
And TMR, why are you here while c64.sk is being abused? Go go go! That smile don't fool nobody!
Can i help it if i have a life occasionally and was out all day?! =-) Thanks for pointing it out, though.
And i still like my idea; you can decide to filter out whatever you want and i can decide to filter out whatever i want (and there's a few things i'd like to filter! =-) and it makes it as pure a C64 or as general a Commodore 8-bit scene site as the individual wants it to be! There's quite a bit of crossover to the other Commodore machines, Dekadence, Cosine, Creators, Resource, Fire f'example. |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
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Just saying that only c64 releases should be here poses a problem of definition.
Are we talking only releases that are fully runnable on plain c64 with no extra hardware?
We could try to formulate some strict rule saying only releases runnable on certain c64 based machines and tools targeting such machines.
I personally think that is both impractical and unnecessary.
There is stuff in here targeting only special peripherals and hardware modifications.
Should that be removed aswell?
Should we allow more 8-bit machines?
I don't know really.
Currently C128 and C64DTV are the only alternate machines allowed, though they actually are C64-clones with extensions.
A VIC-20 is different in many ways, and if we are adding VIC-20 stuff, what would stop us from entering PET-wares from the 70's?
Very difficult to draw the line...
That said, I agree that there should be a separate field for the architectures and special hardware that is already allowed.
C128 Tool, SuperCPU One-File Demo, etc...
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T.M.R
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Well, we're talking scene releases so the 1970's PET stuff is out for a start unless it really is a scene release...? The VIC isn't a massive "market" but it could do with being shown off somewhere where people stand a chance of appreciating the work done. Personally, i just want C16/Plus/4 for selfish reasons, although they do have Plus/4 World already... =-) |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
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I've done VIC-20 releases aswell, so I also have some interrest in having them here too.
I was trying to enlight some different aspects of the issue.
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Graham
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The strongest point pro VIC20/C16 on CSDb is that both machines scenes consist to a great extent of C64 sceners.
Other points would be historical relations (VIC20 is the ancestor of the C64 and the C16 is the brother), and technical similarities (same CPU, similar gfx hardware, same peripherials etc).
I am all pro this, because it would make sense. All VIC20 groups and many C16 groups ARE already on CSDb because of their C64 activity. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
Perff, so this idea goes to trash? How about a voting? :) |
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Raf
Registered: Nov 2003
Posts: 343 |
I also think we should allow vic20/plus 4 series stuff here. now site is titled as "c-64 only" but we have 128 releases here already , and nobody complains , right? |
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Steppe
Registered: Jan 2002
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I'd second that, vic20 and plus4 are interesting platforms. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 1879 |
Quote: I also think we should allow vic20/plus 4 series stuff here. now site is titled as "c-64 only" but we have 128 releases here already , and nobody complains , right?
Would it help if I started complaining then?
Still, the idea of a user-set filter isn't too bad, if you would also extend it to the type of info. So not just platform only, but for example 'demostuff on c64' only. |
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Jetboy
Registered: Jul 2006
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What's worse we have DTV releases also :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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i have nothing against other machines' stuff either - but there really should be a good way to filter, AND there should be clear rules about what belongs here and what not. there are already some "releases" which dont run on any computer at all, nor are documentation or whatever - such stuff doesnt belong here, imho. |
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Tch
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If it was up to me,I´d draw the line at C128/DTV.
Lets not change the "C" into Commodore!
Amiga stuff doesn´t belong here,eventhough many sceners went that way.. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
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i'd prefer vic20 stuff over DTV anytime :=) |
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Tch
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Quote: i'd prefer vic20 stuff over DTV anytime :=)
I don´t know which is better.
Never seen both of them in action..
My heart beats for the C64 only -and that´s what CSDb is about- but if people want more stuff, the people running this site should decide.
Personaly,I don´t care for VIC-20 (or DTV) at all. |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
here is a reason why we should have vic 20 demos here:
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=10626
or how about risen from oblivion ?
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MRT
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Quote:
here is a reason why we should have vic 20 demos here:
http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=10626
or how about risen from oblivion ?
WOW...
Viznut even created singing vocals in that song... And here I was thinking this was something of the last few months. :) It's been done on the Vic20 3 years back... :-D
Cool! |
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T.M.R
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Registered: Dec 2001
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Umm, JCH did the vocals thing on the C64 in 1990 - listen to Orcus_giv_it_up.sid in his HVSC directory... (although getting a VIC to do it is a bit harder, no ring modulator! =-)
Back to the subject; when do we hear if there's going to be a vote or whatever?! =-) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
nah, nothing beats mighty agemixer's freestyler so far:
http://www.c64.org/HVSC/VARIOUS/A-F/Agemixer/Freestyler.sid |
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Raf
Registered: Nov 2003
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Quote: nah, nothing beats mighty agemixer's freestyler so far:
http://www.c64.org/HVSC/VARIOUS/A-F/Agemixer/Freestyler.sid
listen to latest two Jammer's tunes (especially mr marvellous) and you'll change your mind [if you mean speech syntesized singing of course] ;-) |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: listen to latest two Jammer's tunes (especially mr marvellous) and you'll change your mind [if you mean speech syntesized singing of course] ;-)
Didn't we have this conversation already in another thread? |
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T.M.R
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Quote: Didn't we have this conversation already in another thread?
Yeah, but it's just filler until Perff gets back to us... =-) |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5094 |
checked jammer's tune (again), I still think agey's is the best in terms of understandability. |
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Style
Registered: Jun 2004
Posts: 498 |
Im just glad ring modulation is finally being pushed... |
