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Sad
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German thing
I only want to ask sceners from germany, why they release so much things in german language? Why they can't do it in English? In german, it will be only for german speak, but most of us can speak only english, so why they want to do things for all of us? Maybe there is still feeling in them, that they are something special and they don't want respect everyone. You know, who staretd two world wars and why!!! |
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Steppe
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I'm baffled by the immaturity of your comments...
Any examples of recent german releases in german language?
Ever considered that they were done for a german audience? Just like Enhiridion and emu64.pl is for the Polish audience.
I just shake my head... |
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Sad
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OK. Tiger disk, Digital talk... And ofcourse sites about C64 party (only in language of gods) Murphy's world party, Commodore meeting in Vienna, Classic computing... I don't want to search for more, because that is enough I think. |
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Steppe
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Can someone close this topic, it's just too ridiculous... |
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Testicle
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what an intelligent topic - the question might be ok, but your explanations are really embarrasing.
some people just develope for a local audience, and they might have several reasons. for example, they don't think they can manage to publish a whole mag in english? perhaps they think, that their mag/release etc. isn't that wide-spread?
you find almost everywhere a few releases, that are only in their motherlanguage.
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Nafcom
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Sad, you say too hard what you mean. Please do not compare it with WWII! Don't even think about it has to do anything with the C64 scene!
I can only tell you my point of view: All things I do for scene and even besides scene is 100% international and English. I know some people don't like it, but on phone, I speak more English than German, etc. My whole hobby is directed by the English language which I honestly more prefer than my own mother tongue. I think everything should be multilingual, especially homepages. The HCC club for example translated there site in English since I said, I can't understand any Dutch.
Apart from this, the topic is really without any point.
SO, I agree here with Steppe!
All the best!
Bye!
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Nafcom
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Quote: what an intelligent topic - the question might be ok, but your explanations are really embarrasing.
some people just develope for a local audience, and they might have several reasons. for example, they don't think they can manage to publish a whole mag in english? perhaps they think, that their mag/release etc. isn't that wide-spread?
you find almost everywhere a few releases, that are only in their motherlanguage.
Okay, but you have to admit, that 99% of all C64 stuff is English and not in other languages! :)
All the best!
Bye!
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Testicle
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Quote: Okay, but you have to admit, that 99% of all C64 stuff is English and not in other languages! :)
All the best!
Bye!
Joerg
yes, that's why i said only "a few"... ;-)
i think it's the people's choice - if they don't want to (or can't) reach a big majority, they shall release in their motherlanguage. most of the releases are in english, and there's no loss if this small minority of non-multilingual-releases (or non-english-releases) exists.
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Nafcom
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Quote: yes, that's why i said only "a few"... ;-)
i think it's the people's choice - if they don't want to (or can't) reach a big majority, they shall release in their motherlanguage. most of the releases are in english, and there's no loss if this small minority of non-multilingual-releases (or non-english-releases) exists.
Yes, I understand you. But in reference to SAD's example, I am sometimes really frustrated about C64 homepages I can't understand, because I will never learn Polish, Dutch, Italian, Spanish or any other language.
But for Diskmags, I think every scene part has its right to get magazines in their own mother tongue!
All the best!
Bye!
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Steppe
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Sad, ever heard of Godwin's Law? I guess not, but google might help you here. |
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Hate Bush
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I don't want to hear that publishing in German is an unmistakable sign of being a national socialist. Just as I don't think that publishing in Polish is a sign of being parochial and behind the times. Etc. etc. etc. Sad, you're Sadly talking rubbish. |
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CyberBrain
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True, it's ofcoz allright to release anything you want and do it in whatever language you want. But it shouldn't come as a suprise to the creators of those releases/C64-websites, that most non-germans gets a little 'annoyed' when we see yet another release/C64-website in german. But that's their chance to take, and i really don't think it's that big a problem at the moment. (just reset your C64 or click close in your browser when you see something in german, and you won't be bothered - that's what i do and it works fine :) ) |
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Puterman
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Releasing stuff in German isn't a sign of national socialism.
It just means that you're a part of the retard scene. |
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Nafcom
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Puterman; I hope you did not mean "retard" like "stupid" but in "reserve scene" way.
If then of "reserve scene": It's right, any national C64 scene is more little than being one part and working together international!
All the best!
Bye!
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CreaMD
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Turbo64 strikes again! ;-)))) |
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MorGorr
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Quote: True, it's ofcoz allright to release anything you want and do it in whatever language you want. But it shouldn't come as a suprise to the creators of those releases/C64-websites, that most non-germans gets a little 'annoyed' when we see yet another release/C64-website in german. But that's their chance to take, and i really don't think it's that big a problem at the moment. (just reset your C64 or click close in your browser when you see something in german, and you won't be bothered - that's what i do and it works fine :) )
About being 'annoyed': It is extremely annoying to hear nazi comparisons only because someone uses his or her German mother tongue. It would be exactly equally unjustified to say that nothing should be released in English because the USA started so many wars in the last couple of decades.
Just as an anecdote: In German protests against the war in Iraq, some people refused to use the English word "Peace" as their slogan. Instead, rainbow flags with the Italian word "Pace" appeared on the demonstrations. In an interview, somebody said "why should we use the language of the aggressor?"
But as I said above: This is the same bullshit as Sad has spreaded in this forum - only in a reversed version. |
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Puterman
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Yep, Turbo64 strikes back with another fine message in English...
What I meant was that the releases that are in German usually suck anyway. Considering that, this discussion is pretty pointless, as those of us who don't understand German should only be happy that we don't get the message in "Ficken im Zelt", "Fressepissen" and other fine examples of German culture. |
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Testicle
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:-D
perhaps you should change your travel-guide, if your examples are the high-point of german culture! ;-)
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jailbird
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And let's just not forget that those products made on german language are not all made by 100% pure-blood, blonde and blue-eyed Germans. If a Jew or a Arabic dude who live in Germany for decades, decide to release a c64 mag just for the audience in Germany, as they speak hebrew, arabic and german only, but would still like to share the knowledge or love toward the commie, that'll make them nazi supermans?!
Example: I made a c64 related site on serbian language only, while I'm not a Serb at all, but a mixture of Hungarian, German and Polish blood, now what's your definition on that? A Serb nationalist German Ungro-Polak?
The only solution would be to take your time and learn some german. Golden rule: as many languages you understand, as more friends you can have. |
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Merman
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Quote: Yep, Turbo64 strikes back with another fine message in English...
What I meant was that the releases that are in German usually suck anyway. Considering that, this discussion is pretty pointless, as those of us who don't understand German should only be happy that we don't get the message in "Ficken im Zelt", "Fressepissen" and other fine examples of German culture.
Another rational argument from Puterman - he doesn't like it, so it sucks. :)
The scene doesn't need this. Ideally we would all speak the same language, but we don't. There's nothing wrong with a German diskmag, a Polish diskmag, a Spanish website..
I write scrolltext and articles in English, so am I excluding people? NO! English is my language, so I use it.
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Rough
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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.
ps. Jailbird, Jews who live in Germany are mostly of German nationality. |
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Pater Pi
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What about the polish scene? Why are there those releases made in polish only? I mean you know who's country got divided at least twice, so maybe some sort of national problem there too?
all i can say to this topic is: rotfl (:
although interesting to read (and maybe a bit scary that people start to think you are a nationalist because you prefer using your mother language for various reasons (like limited audience - digital talk for exapmle is some sort of "small-talk-mag", some partie-organizers also may think that their party isn't very interesting for foreigners and also had a small amount of visitors (and scene-wise releases)until know-or limited skills in other languages)) |
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Sad
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At first, something to Puterman : You know, what you wrote. I'm angry and I hope, that I will meet you on some party and kick your ass.
I read all of your comments and I changed opinion a few.
RESPECT! Sad |
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Seven
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my guess: the reason why some germans prefer to express themselves in their native language simply is, that they want to avoid embarrassment and chose to NOT type incomprehendable bullshit as so many others do... |
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Hate Bush
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Quote: What about the polish scene? Why are there those releases made in polish only? I mean you know who's country got divided at least twice, so maybe some sort of national problem there too?
all i can say to this topic is: rotfl (:
although interesting to read (and maybe a bit scary that people start to think you are a nationalist because you prefer using your mother language for various reasons (like limited audience - digital talk for exapmle is some sort of "small-talk-mag", some partie-organizers also may think that their party isn't very interesting for foreigners and also had a small amount of visitors (and scene-wise releases)until know-or limited skills in other languages))
Stephan, I don't know what exactly did you mean by referring to the Polish scene. National problem? If I understand correctly, you're explaining the existence of Polish-only diskmags or websites with our desire to enclose ourselves, which is coming from the fact that we are angry at other countries for historical reasons. And you're probably 100% wrong.
I can only speak for myself, but, personally, I use my native language everytime when I want to make myself perfectly clear, express what I _exactly_ want to share with others etc. because Polish is the only language I know inside out. If I had any choice, I wouldn't use English at all, unless it proves absolutely necessary. Unfortunately not many people I'm in contact with know Polish.
So for all non-Anglo-Saxon nations it's a matter of the following choice: whether you wish to communicate with the whole world in a somewhat, more or less, crippled way, or to communicate excellently with your countrymates only. |
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Puterman
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Sad: First you accuse people of being nazis (and classical argument), then you threaten to beat me up (even more classical). You seem to be a very warm and intelligent person, so I'm looking forward to meeting you. |
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Steppe
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Sad: Grow up and get a life! This is the most incoherent drivel I read here in a long time! And it's probably pretty embarrassing for your polish mates to see one of theirs behave like an bull in a china shop!
So, here's my humble and friendly advice: Consider a silent retreat before you put your foot in it another time. It can't get any worse anyway... |
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Twoflower
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This discussion is the absolute highlight of all the CSDB discussions i've read so far - and by Jove, there have for sure been some stupid discussions here. But this discussion beats them all by far, and here's my conclusions;
1) Sad. You're completely "way out", "whacko", "weird" or "looney" and might be entitled this years annual "nutcase", "screwball", "maniac" or "whatever-you-may-prefer" award. Especially concidering the nazi-conspiracy-theory combined with threatening to beat up Puterman. You're using about the same rhetorics as George W Bush. My sincere congratulations.
2) Releases in german, polish, dutch, etc, are by most definitions considered retard by default. |
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Merman
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This whole "retard/lame scene" thing that people have been labelling releases/people with is WRONG. And labelling a release in a particular language as "retard" is also WRONG.
It's got to the stage where there isn't any point releasing anything new - you either get hailed by the elite scene and then get people complain, or you get called lame from the start and will never be regarded any higher because of the elite.
I thought the scene had grown up past petty fights and name-calling. Obviously I was wrong. |
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CreaMD
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SAD is czech scener, not polish. I suggest to check from which domain these messages are coming as this seem to be too much. |
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yago
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<flamebait>If there are diskmags in german, they are prolly not worth reading..</flamebait>
However, SAD, rather then search for german Parties, which only have german Invitations, you should look for german Parties which do have also english Invitations.
The next which comes to my Mind are BackInTimeLive/Germany and Vision2003/Germany.
Some releases are in non-english because at the time of doing them, the authors english was worse then acceptable.
This is surely NO sign of any political direction.
Have FUN,
Zed Yago
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TDJ
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I read 2 posts from Sad so far: the one complaining about his tune being attached to another Sad, and this one.
In both he managed to look like a complete idiot.
Well, at least he picked the right handle ..
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Seven
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...yet I somehow doubt that his grasp on the english language allowed him to chose this handle for its meaning... does "Sad" have some sort of meaning in the czech language maybe?
anyone? |
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Hate Bush
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Quote: SAD is czech scener, not polish. I suggest to check from which domain these messages are coming as this seem to be too much.
Roman, maybe Steppe wanted to manifest his panslavic view of things by giving us a hint that Czech and Polish people are one nation in fact? :D |
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Steppe
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Hehe, no! :-)
I somehow thought I read somewhere that Sad was Polish. Mea culpa, forgive me Michal. :-) |
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Pater Pi
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@Smalltown Boy:
I think you got me wrong (:
i reffered to the polish scene in the same way sad referred to the german scene just to show how "much" sense it makes to me. Ofcourse i do NOT think that ANY scene makes stuff in their native language due to some sort of nationalist problems.
The german scene may have quite similar reasons to make german stuff as the polish may to make polish stuff as the spanish may to amke spanish stuff as the english scene making english stuff (don't tell me all people who speak english as mother tongue just make english productions to be international (: )
Just interpretating some sort of intelectual problems or psychological problems into doing so is absolutely bullshit.
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Sad
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Maybe you like to be vituperate, but when someone (Puterman) wrote about me, that I'm retard I feel, that all isn't ok and I'm angry. I didn't wrote nazi in any of my texts, but you did. Maybe you are very head, favourite in your lives, because you must when you judge me in this way. I'm normal, but only for my friends, who are normal too. Ask my groupmate about me (Padua). I love C64 scene with kind persons like you. Sad |
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T.M.R
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Sad, Puterman never called *you* a retard, he was referring to German releases being part of the retard scene and generally saying they weren't worth the effort of reading. Since your post was asking Germans why they write in their native language, it's rather ironic that you've answered your *own* question; it's because it's far too easy to misunderstand what's being said if both parties are not totally fluent in English.
i'd suggest that you stop arguing now because you're making yourself look an arse.
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LHS
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Realy I can't understand why is SAD nazi retard. He don't like only german language at C64 scene... Realy I don't know, why some fuckers impute SAD about fascist thinks... I don't like german phraseography in electrotechnics, I am nazi retard too!!!
LHS
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Testicle
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"...why some fuckers impute SAD about fascist thinks..."
who did that?
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CreaMD
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What TMR wanted to say is. If you want to argue in english learn english, or read more carefully. If you are insulted in english please double check if that was really insult. If you want to use insults please try to think twice before using them.
Example of my own experience. I thought "dunno" is an insult when I was starting with irc in 1994, but no it means "don't know". (it still sounds like dumbo, or dumbass to me ;-)
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T.M.R
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CreaMD: i stand by my original statement - he's making himself look like an arse. =-)
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MorGorr
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Quote: Realy I can't understand why is SAD nazi retard. He don't like only german language at C64 scene... Realy I don't know, why some fuckers impute SAD about fascist thinks... I don't like german phraseography in electrotechnics, I am nazi retard too!!!
LHS
Either you are messing things up completely, or you are trying to make this thread even more absurd than it already is...:
In his first post *he* (Sad) referred to Germans as the starters of WW II. Nobody called *him* a nazi though.
If I understood correctly, that "retard" thing is about (not only German) people who release old or very oldschoolish things, which are therefore considered bullshit by others. |
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Rough
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He, Roman, you Dunno! *lol* |
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LHS
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Quote: What TMR wanted to say is. If you want to argue in english learn english, or read more carefully. If you are insulted in english please double check if that was really insult. If you want to use insults please try to think twice before using them.
Example of my own experience. I thought "dunno" is an insult when I was starting with irc in 1994, but no it means "don't know". (it still sounds like dumbo, or dumbass to me ;-)
roman
OK, my english is very lame, but principle you can understand. I don't know any english words, I am only hearing voices in my head :o) |
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LHS
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Still I can't understand, why you are imputation SAD from nazi ideology. We are from Czech rep., we know was WW2! He don't like only much of text about C64 in non-universal language... |
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Shake
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The last sentence of Sad's first post, and then answer your question again why Sad is linking Germans with nazis. Try to argue that one.
His only meant point is probably that he dislikes nonenglish texts in c64 prods, have to agree with that.
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T.M.R
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English *isn't* a universal language as such, it's not particularly subtle and context is important; Sad himself proved that by misinterpreting what Puterman said. It's convenient that we all work in the same language but we only do so by consensus and there's nothing to stop everyone changing their minds tomorrow except the fact that we all *want* to talk to each other (at least, i hope so).
When i talk to others in the U.K. i use a collection of slang and cultural references that people not familiar with this country may not be aware of. i wouldn't deliberately use most of these on #c-64 for example (they slip out sometimes...!) not because of some nationalist pride or whatever but because i want to communicate in a way that doesn't confuse the other parties. The "real English" scene in Austin Powers: Goldmember isn't as far from the truth as people think... =-) |
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_V_
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Personal opinion.
Sad: Please, calm yourself there. Violence has no place inside the scene, and certainly not in this case.
About the topic: I'm all for using a standard form of English as a way to communicate inside the scene. If you want to work with people from other nationalities, it helps to have a common language and English, being rather easy-to-learn, fits the bill nicely.
Nonetheless, I also feel that demos and other scene productions should not be in English only. It's an artform after all, and then you're _free_ to express yourself in a way *you* are happy with, regardless of the opinions of others.
How extreme you wish to be is up to you, and depends on what you wish to accomplish with your work. Then, if you wish to reach a large crowd, it's common sense to use a universal language (if the production requires the usage of one, of course) and I guess English is the best choice. Of course, with Chinese you can also reach a (very) large crowd, but I'm not sure if they have a scene there. Maybe in the underground, who knows?
So, there is nothing wrong with sceners using their home language if their goal is to reach out to the other sceners there. Should outsiders be able to see such a production, they'll have to take it as is, and definately not regard the people behind it as being "behind the times". It's their good right, albeit not without consequences.
And there's certainly nothing wrong in incorporating a *little* of your local culture or your identity into your own work. I personally like those little "quirks" - if the production's cool, they'll spike my curiosity to such an extent that I simply _have_ to find out what they mean.
We had "Hund" in the Farbrausch prods, french poems in No Exit/Nomad, Japanese kanji in several pc prods and the ominous "rullar" in Dawnfall/Oxyron. Spielereien like that are just fun, and I'm glad they're here.
Okay, I think I took enough of everyone's time. Doei,
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ceti
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Yes, SAD has right, noone here can forget about the 2.WW and what all Germans did.
But I`ve got a German girlfriend anyway :)
All the other mags from the other countries are ONLY in English, also do the same please. Obwohl ich selber ziemlich gut Dtsch sprechen kann, natuerlich auch die andere von hier wollen was davon ham. So bittet mich jeder um dings zu uebersetzen und ich hab wirklich schon die schnauze voll davon ! Also das wars fuer`s heute..
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Slator
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You can do whatever you want, if you want to release a magazine in afrikaans do it!
Nobody forces you to either download, watch or understand it anyways.
if you don't like atari, you don't buy one,
if you don't like wine, you don't buy it and don't drink it.
so if you don't like German mags or Polish or whatever mags then don't eat, buy, download, copy, read or whatever them.
At least you know that if you write your stuff in English you might have the biggest language-platform for c64 releases. Maybe you don't want it as it is a release just for fun or for a small more localised audience/group of interested.
btw. German is a language that was spoken before WWII, too :D just to make sure that speaking German does not lead automatically to be or to like what some would call "NAZI".
Please don't forget that this shit here is some kind of hobby maybe a lifestyle for some ppl in deeper trouble but never forget the point of it, FUN.
And now we build up a circle off all c64 ppl and pray for free love and free 5.25 "
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Nafcom
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Quote: This whole "retard/lame scene" thing that people have been labelling releases/people with is WRONG. And labelling a release in a particular language as "retard" is also WRONG.
It's got to the stage where there isn't any point releasing anything new - you either get hailed by the elite scene and then get people complain, or you get called lame from the start and will never be regarded any higher because of the elite.
I thought the scene had grown up past petty fights and name-calling. Obviously I was wrong.
Well, I think the retard thing has been just an useless comment; - Do not notice this -
I think the point of the discussion is, if releases in non-English are good or bad. Well, I would like to see everything in English! And I am always happy to see things in English. I know some good examples! I even know somebody of whom I am the only contact not speaking the "righ mother tongue". So, only because of me, things turned into English, which I find good, because I don't know Swedish! :)
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Nafcom
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Quote: Stephan, I don't know what exactly did you mean by referring to the Polish scene. National problem? If I understand correctly, you're explaining the existence of Polish-only diskmags or websites with our desire to enclose ourselves, which is coming from the fact that we are angry at other countries for historical reasons. And you're probably 100% wrong.
I can only speak for myself, but, personally, I use my native language everytime when I want to make myself perfectly clear, express what I _exactly_ want to share with others etc. because Polish is the only language I know inside out. If I had any choice, I wouldn't use English at all, unless it proves absolutely necessary. Unfortunately not many people I'm in contact with know Polish.
So for all non-Anglo-Saxon nations it's a matter of the following choice: whether you wish to communicate with the whole world in a somewhat, more or less, crippled way, or to communicate excellently with your countrymates only.
Well, I wonder why you say so, because I think your English is actually quite sophisticated! Honestly.
If I compare my mother tongue (German) with English, then it is (at least) for me easier to point out in English what I exactly mean! That's because of some glitches in German language. Like the "non-difference" between girlfriend and friend. We just have girlfriend only, but no female friend.
(Female friend & Girlfriend = "Freundin" in German).
Sometimes I just modify the German world for pal (Kumpel) to make it female soudnding "Kumpel-in-". Which is not a real German word.
There are other similar examples.
And the English phrases are better than the German ones!
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Nafcom
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Quote: Yes, SAD has right, noone here can forget about the 2.WW and what all Germans did.
But I`ve got a German girlfriend anyway :)
All the other mags from the other countries are ONLY in English, also do the same please. Obwohl ich selber ziemlich gut Dtsch sprechen kann, natuerlich auch die andere von hier wollen was davon ham. So bittet mich jeder um dings zu uebersetzen und ich hab wirklich schon die schnauze voll davon ! Also das wars fuer`s heute..
Well, that's why I say, please release everything into English to get it to everybody and so everybody should understand.
As for your German sentence: Well, I have had also to translate a lot, Merman too! :)
Even if I tell everybody: Please only English for English mags and homepages.
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Nafcom
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Quote: You can do whatever you want, if you want to release a magazine in afrikaans do it!
Nobody forces you to either download, watch or understand it anyways.
if you don't like atari, you don't buy one,
if you don't like wine, you don't buy it and don't drink it.
so if you don't like German mags or Polish or whatever mags then don't eat, buy, download, copy, read or whatever them.
At least you know that if you write your stuff in English you might have the biggest language-platform for c64 releases. Maybe you don't want it as it is a release just for fun or for a small more localised audience/group of interested.
btw. German is a language that was spoken before WWII, too :D just to make sure that speaking German does not lead automatically to be or to like what some would call "NAZI".
Please don't forget that this shit here is some kind of hobby maybe a lifestyle for some ppl in deeper trouble but never forget the point of it, FUN.
And now we build up a circle off all c64 ppl and pray for free love and free 5.25 "
Yes, Slator, you have got 100% the point and my fully agreement! Great!!! Thank you!!!!!! |
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Nafcom
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Quote: Sad, Puterman never called *you* a retard, he was referring to German releases being part of the retard scene and generally saying they weren't worth the effort of reading. Since your post was asking Germans why they write in their native language, it's rather ironic that you've answered your *own* question; it's because it's far too easy to misunderstand what's being said if both parties are not totally fluent in English.
i'd suggest that you stop arguing now because you're making yourself look an arse.
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LHS
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...so if you don't like German mags or Polish or whatever mags then don't eat, buy, download, copy, read or whatever them...
Really true spirit of the scene..! |
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Steppe
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Quote: ...so if you don't like German mags or Polish or whatever mags then don't eat, buy, download, copy, read or whatever them...
Really true spirit of the scene..!
Huh? Anything wrong with that attitude that I failed to comprehend? 8|
Anyway, this whole messy thread wouldn't have evolved like it is now if some sad person wouldn't have thrown in WW-II or cynically called German the "language of the gods". Sounds more like a general inferiority complex to me... ;-) |
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Nafcom
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Yers, I think the WWII should be out of this topic!!
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T.M.R
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"Don't mention the war - I mentioned it once but I think I got away with it!" - Basil Fawlty. |
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Nafcom
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I have a very good example of something, which - so I think - should be in English. It's this homepage:
http://apidya.prv.pl/
Please notice the warning at the upper right corner:
"Attention:
some sentences are translate into English"
but unless you dare to click on the Polish navigation bar on the left, you may see nothing in English on the index page, except a friendly "Hello".
But then, everything is translated. But you won't guess at the beginning what "Ogloszenia" is.
Since this homepage is in multilanguage, it should be easy to offer a navigation bar in English aswell.
But rest of the site is really great and well designed! :)
Well, TMR, I understood about WWII...
All the best!
Bye!
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T.M.R
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There wasn't anything to understand as such, that's just a quote from the sitcom Fawlty Towers... Speaking of what things mean, did you know that "naff" (how i subconsciously pronounce the first half of your handle) is English slang and can mean either "unstylish, clichéd, or outmoded", "to fool around or go about" or can be used as a dismissal as in "naff off"...? |
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Graham
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"...So that's two egg mayonnaise, a prawn Goebbels, a Herman Goering and four Colditz salads... no, wait a minute... I got confused because everyone keeps mentioning the war."
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Nafcom
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Quote: "...So that's two egg mayonnaise, a prawn Goebbels, a Herman Goering and four Colditz salads... no, wait a minute... I got confused because everyone keeps mentioning the war."
Well, I have got confused, too. I will not mention it any longer now, thanks for telling, you are right!
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Nafcom
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Quote: There wasn't anything to understand as such, that's just a quote from the sitcom Fawlty Towers... Speaking of what things mean, did you know that "naff" (how i subconsciously pronounce the first half of your handle) is English slang and can mean either "unstylish, clichéd, or outmoded", "to fool around or go about" or can be used as a dismissal as in "naff off"...?
Yep, I know.
Here is the explaination from dictionary:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=naff
Well, but "Nafcom" is coming from this:
"Fan" <- reverse order is: "Naf". First three letters is: "c-o-m." = Nafcom! :)
Well, it's easy, isn't it?! :)
Well, hope I am not such a naff, even.
But interesting thing, thanks!
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T.M.R
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And congratulations to Graham for knowing the routine better than i do... =-) |
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Sad
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It's nice, that few sceners gave me the worst vote for me as musician after I started this discussion. I don't think, that they ever heard tune from me. If you think, that this discussion is so stupid, don't look at it and don't write, it is the best instrument how to stop it. That sentence of WW2 in my first text was written only for remit to german feeling, that they are something special. I sorely know that from my life. Maybe the best will be, when you ask your grandfather, how he felt it when he crushed down our country with gun in his hand.
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CreaMD
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SAD. I respect you as a scener and musician but this is enough.
For your own sake stop making fool of yourself. Nobody is interested in your offtopic and historically incompetent babbling. Please get back when you calm down and try to write serious C64 related stuff.
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Stryyker
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Personally I don't see how long past history is relevent. Some Germans here are very helpful in many ways and communicate in english - the langauge of the people that bombed Germany and stole some technologies. Why do you want to use english as G. W. Bush uses it (and past USA presidents) who have issued bombings of a number of places around the world.... Get over it. If we still react on all history then no one would talk to anyone.
For the record I do get jealous at some nice stuff written in non english that I cannot read but I get over it. there isn't too much non english where there is no suitable english equivalent. |
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Steppe
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Just to make one thing clear: I don't mind at all being confronted with recent German history. In Germany we're struggling hard NOT to forget what happened a couple of decades ago, despite a small percentage of people that would like to close the topic once and forever. But that's not the point.
It just doesn't belong in here as the C64 scene is a global, multinational and mostly nonpolitical community, isn't it. |
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T.M.R
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Sad: the way i see it, you owe the Germans an apology because you're attempting to stereotype them against something that the majority of them don't *want* to be based on events some sixty years ago. You also owe Puterman an apology for threatening violence against him when *you* misunderstood what he said.
My country invented the language you want everyone to use and the only reason it's so widespread is because we can't be bothered to learn any *other* language so we expect it to be a constant. And of course, we all shout slowly at Johnny Foreigner until he understands us and we live on fish and chips when on holiday in Spain. Sarcasm aside, the British empire managed to take in a lot of land and oppress a lot of people and i hope to hell people don't judge me on my ancestors being bastards in the same way you feel the Germans should be.
You say that you mentioned the second world war because of your opinion of "german feeling" and that you believe they feel "that they are something special" but *you're* the one wanting to get them to change which language they use - how arrogant is that?! i've already said it, but here we go again - Sad, you're making yourself look an arse. |
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Nafcom
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This turned out to become a fight and philosophy thing. Some people are sounding like a PhD.
And once again: Thanks for fighting/protecting us! :)
Well, we can't change the past, of course, but I am not a grandfather and I didn't choose where to see the light when I was born.
And well, I use English just to speak to everyone, and I am not stereotypically thinking in any way.
I spoke to many people around the globe (non C64 sceners) and of course some dislike me, because I Am German, but I think that's only making sad and it's not fair!
I don't think Germans are good English speakers (to come back to the original topic), but we speak English aswell.
Meanwhile many countries claim to have English as mother tongue (official, some countries have 2-3 mother tongues), this is defined by their goverment. One of such examples is China, Malaysia, Japan.
But I have to admit, I found it (in my area) impossible to buy and cards in English language!!!
Well, I find some comments of you Sad and also of Puterman really strange here. And TMR is fighting great for us, thanks! :)
That's it here.
Joerg
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TDJ
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Hey, I'm not too fond of the Germans either, but that has more to do with football than with WW2.
I'm joking .. kinda ..
What I do dislike however are German tourists in Holland who expect you to understand & speak German. Which I do, but refuse to let them know. But when they want to communicate with other German people, ofcourse they are free to use that language. Plus, I bet those diskmags are boring anyway :) |
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Sad
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CremD how you can consecrate me, that more than 750ppl saw this text and 72x someone wrote here, if it's nobodoy interested in it, how you wrote. Thanx |
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Rough
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tdj: funny as you mention it, when I'm to Holland and I speak English, people usually tell me that I could also speak German to them as they say they understand that. Probably people from big cities are more used to tourists.
sad: word to your last comment. the average german idiot behaves like a new herrenmensch since the re-unity of 1990.
my point is that it's a waste of time to demand ugly demos being translated into English or argumenting with brain-washed lamers about the topic when you could use energy to kick out the new bureau of the Sudetengermans out of Prague.
In diesem Sinne.. Deutschland verrecke, ihr Computerspacken!
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Rough
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sad's bi-last comment, not the one directly above mine |
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TDJ
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Quote: CremD how you can consecrate me, that more than 750ppl saw this text and 72x someone wrote here, if it's nobodoy interested in it, how you wrote. Thanx
Sad, what I don't understand, how can you be angry with people for not using English, when you do the same?
Because it sure as hell ain't English you're typing here, more some kind of alien language that might end up in the next Star Wars movie. |
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Sad
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My english is lame, but I never had problem with communication in it at party and discussions.
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T.M.R
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Quote: My english is lame, but I never had problem with communication in it at party and discussions.
This is a discussion and you've threatened Puterman because you didn't understand what he said. |
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Sad
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Write about me what you want. I don't need to advocate myself. |
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T.M.R
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Quote: Write about me what you want. I don't need to advocate myself.
All i'm doing is commenting about what's gone before;
Puterman said "Releasing stuff in German isn't a sign of national socialism. It just means that you're a part of the retard scene." which means (in this context) that if you release in German, you're a retard. So *you* replied with "I'm angry and I hope, that I will meet you on some party and kick your ass.".
Why do you want to kick his arse if he *agrees* with you and feels that German-only products are part of the "retard scene"? Don't you feel you owe him an apology if not all the Germans you've offended?
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CreaMD
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Quote: CremD how you can consecrate me, that more than 750ppl saw this text and 72x someone wrote here, if it's nobodoy interested in it, how you wrote. Thanx
Stupid comment. |
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CreaMD
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Quote: My english is lame, but I never had problem with communication in it at party and discussions.
Your english is very bad it's clear from your responses.
What is even worse you don't understand fully what other people here write: for example you threatened Puterman, he never wrote you are part of retard scene but you wanted to beat him anyway).
What Puterman said is:
"Releasovat veci v nemcine nie je znakom nacionalneho socializmu. Len to znamena ze si sucastou retardovanej sceny. Co znamena ze ked releasnes nieco v nemcine tak si retard."
ale ty si ho chcel za to zmlatit? ved tebe nehovoril ze si retard ale s tebou suhlasil a hovoril ze nemci su retardi ked pisu v nemcine ;-)
Nerozumies ani co ti ludia pisu a pritom tu do kazdeho vyskakujes. Prestan sa sakra strapnovat a spravaj sa slusne ved sa nic nedeje neviem co tu robis bordel. Ako som uz povedal nic proti tebe nemam, myslim si pohodak a normalny chalan ale trosku to tu prehanas. Nie trosku, ale dost. Robis zo sebe uplneho sovinistickeho blba. Nemci su uplne normalni ludia a ty tu zacnes pisat pivne reci o druhej svetovej vojne. To je ako ked sa slovaci a cesi na hokejovych strankach hadaju o tom ze cesi nam ukradli vlajku, potom cesi povedia ze slovaci su cobolaci a ze patria iba do "C" skupiny. Alebo ze su z uhier, potom slovaci napisu ze cesi su sudeti a ze co ja viem co este. Proste idiotiny. Kasli na to a radsej sa ospravedln Putermanovi ze si ho chcel zmlatit a pritom s tebou suhlasil.
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Oxidy
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Reading this thread (soap opera) from top to bottom took a while. I agree on the apology part. Puterman doesn't deserve being beaten, and if "the beater" want's to make things right - apologize!
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Nafcom
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Well right and hope Sad will apoloize to the "bad Germans" thing. (I hope the majority understands what I do mean...).
Thanks in advance,
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Sad
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I was really wrong (thanx CreamD, that you cleaned my eyes). I didn't understand right what Puterman wrote. I'm sorry for that Puterman. Now it's ideal time to stop...Sad |
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Sad
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OK, here is my apologize for this topic. I started it because I thought about that for few months, but it was mistake. Maybe you know, that in my texts is a little of true, but only my friends (and Puterman - again sorry) advocate me and ppl here only made from them stupid. So, sorry if you feel umbrage. Sad |
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Nafcom
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Quote: OK, here is my apologize for this topic. I started it because I thought about that for few months, but it was mistake. Maybe you know, that in my texts is a little of true, but only my friends (and Puterman - again sorry) advocate me and ppl here only made from them stupid. So, sorry if you feel umbrage. Sad
Okay Sad, I accept your apologize.
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Dane
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I'm sad, no pun intended, that I missed out on this discussion until now, for surely this has been some of the most entertaining drivel the scene has produced since the scrolltexts in the Wonderland series. Why don't one of you guys with too much spare time translate and type all of these comments into a text-based demo? It could be released in English, German, Polish, whatever language you'd like and be the first globalmultiinternationalSUPERDEMO catering for sceners of all nationalities! (we'd just call it a glo-mo) Anyone who doesn't support my idea are fascists. :)
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jailbird
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Quote: I was really wrong (thanx CreamD, that you cleaned my eyes). I didn't understand right what Puterman wrote. I'm sorry for that Puterman. Now it's ideal time to stop...Sad
Well, not really the ideal time. It was something like... wait, lemme count... 100 posts ago? :)
My final conclusion: if we'd all know czech, most of all, if CSDb would be all in czech, this would never happen :) |
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Nafcom
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Quote: Well, not really the ideal time. It was something like... wait, lemme count... 100 posts ago? :)
My final conclusion: if we'd all know czech, most of all, if CSDb would be all in czech, this would never happen :)
There is some truth in your words, but I prefer English anyway! :) Let us stick with it, deal?!
Well, let's get a rid of the sadness since Sad apoglized.
All the best,
Joerg |
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Nafcom
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Quote: I'm sad, no pun intended, that I missed out on this discussion until now, for surely this has been some of the most entertaining drivel the scene has produced since the scrolltexts in the Wonderland series. Why don't one of you guys with too much spare time translate and type all of these comments into a text-based demo? It could be released in English, German, Polish, whatever language you'd like and be the first globalmultiinternationalSUPERDEMO catering for sceners of all nationalities! (we'd just call it a glo-mo) Anyone who doesn't support my idea are fascists. :)
Naa, Stellan. Let's better do an English one instead of multilingual, don't let us be part of the "retard scene" ;)
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Fabu
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[bullshitmode]
I only want to ask sceners from germany, why they release so much things in german language? Why they can't do it in English? In german, it will be only for german speak, but most of us can speak only english, so why they want to do things for all of us? Maybe there is still feeling in them, that they are something special and they don't want respect everyone. You know, who staretd two world wars and why!!!
[/bullshitmode]
my 2 cents: http://www.wahnsignal.de/tmp/sad.gif
greets,
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Nafcom
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Quote: [bullshitmode]
I only want to ask sceners from germany, why they release so much things in german language? Why they can't do it in English? In german, it will be only for german speak, but most of us can speak only english, so why they want to do things for all of us? Maybe there is still feeling in them, that they are something special and they don't want respect everyone. You know, who staretd two world wars and why!!!
[/bullshitmode]
my 2 cents: http://www.wahnsignal.de/tmp/sad.gif
greets,
fabu.
Phew!!!! |
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Sad
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Thank you fabu. Sad |
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Fabu
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eehhh...
:-?
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drake
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it was nice to read everything and to what people say about germans, czech and polish scene and about politics.
in my view there are here some people with some frustrations. SAD, there are sceners who like your music and there are some who think you're not the best composer but whats the reason then to spread the lie that the germans started WW2?
WW2 was part II of WW1 what started because of the killing of the prince from ostreich (oostenrijk) in serbia. it was the work of a nationalist. germany and england started the war and the french too. after loosing the war, germnay had to pay the 'bill of war'i thought that was around 30 billion mark. that was too much. hitler got the power because of keeping his promises and gave the germans there feelings of being human back. i will not tell you that you must be the best friends with germans, but the war is now ages ago and they are just like YOU!
i prefer to use english because i know a lot more people in europe and usa will understand it. but i can understand german aswell and even a little french and spanish. but some jokes simply cant be translated in another language than your own language. maybe thats a clue
well, i greet you all. btw: if you have icq, try: #315311147
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Nafcom
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Well, what Taco (Drake) means with "Osterreich" is "Oesterreich/Austria"!
Well, yes, he was Austrian!
Doesn't matter how you look at it: I haven't seen the light of this world before 1982, and so I am Not Involved In Any Way What Happened Before My Birth!
And Sad, if you are really thinking stereotypically like you seem here, then I think that's really a very very bad pity (incredible).
I would like to know if you really think and live that stereotypically like it seems here in your postings.
But I keep what I said: I forgave you - just for me! -
All the best!
Bye!
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dalezy
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thanks for this wonderfull pointless thread.
mentioning the war is old and out of fashion already, try to use the ufos, nicole and our funny hairdos as reference for a change next time .. |
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T.M.R
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What funny hairdo, mine does this all on it's own!! |
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Steppe
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Nafcom, oh where would we be without you commenting on every posting in this thread - so full of love and mercy.
http://www.3sign.org/uploads/2010041.gif
ts ts ts |
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Nafcom
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Quote: Nafcom, oh where would we be without you commenting on every posting in this thread - so full of love and mercy.
http://www.3sign.org/uploads/2010041.gif
ts ts ts
Ah well, I think this is meant sarcastic!
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Steppe
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It is! ;-)
Not meant to offend you, but I was a little amused that you seem to feel the urge to comment every single goddamn posting in this thread. |
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Nafcom
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Quote: It is! ;-)
Not meant to offend you, but I was a little amused that you seem to feel the urge to comment every single goddamn posting in this thread.
Well, nobody urgs you to read my lines!...
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drake
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ah, a discussion into another discussion. well THAT is pointless!
nafcom is only trying to be friendly regarding SAD. but sad seems to have some frustrations and talks bullshit about ww2. something what happened 50 years ago. well, thats not my fault, or? |
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Steppe
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Hey, nobody blamed you for anything, drake.
And Nafcom, calm down. I tried to tell you in a roundabout way that you're not the moderator of this thread, so stop this BS about that I don't have to read your lines... |
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drake
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i don't feel blamed for anything. but there are atleast 3 or 4 friends from me in this discussion. i don't understand the point of sad/padua because there is nothing to talk about.
in my point of view, germans are talking german with eachotehr, in the scene too! its normal! why should i speak english to a dutch scener? and when there is a joke in dutch regarding another dutch scener or dutch group, well, let it be. |
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Nafcom
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Quote: Hey, nobody blamed you for anything, drake.
And Nafcom, calm down. I tried to tell you in a roundabout way that you're not the moderator of this thread, so stop this BS about that I don't have to read your lines...
Then you are the moderator of this thread?! ;)
Well, no need to attack me because I state my points of view. I hope you can accept that.
If not, then this is your problem, not mine.
And well, I have never been angry, so no need to calm down :)
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bugjam
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Quote: It's nice, that few sceners gave me the worst vote for me as musician after I started this discussion. I don't think, that they ever heard tune from me. If you think, that this discussion is so stupid, don't look at it and don't write, it is the best instrument how to stop it. That sentence of WW2 in my first text was written only for remit to german feeling, that they are something special. I sorely know that from my life. Maybe the best will be, when you ask your grandfather, how he felt it when he crushed down our country with gun in his hand.
I know I am a bit late entering this discussion, but I wanted to add a few words of mine...
I want to react only on the last sentence of the above quote.
Sad: If I wanted to provoke, I´d tell you to ask Your grandfather if it was comfortable living in our houses; but I won´t do anything like that because it´s useless bullshit.
Instead of that I´ll break the rule of "English only" here...
Mily Sad!
Moje rodina pochazi z Cech. Moje matka je z Bileho Kamena blizko Jihlavy, muj otec pochazi z Rybnika blizko Cesky Trebovy. Muj dedecek dokonce slozil v Ceske Armade! Ztratili vsechno po valce. A co delam ja? Ucim se Cestinu! A proc? Protoze minulost je minulost, a vy zijime ve pritomnoste. Jiste, nesmime zapomnout, co bylo, ale myslim, ze je cas pro novou dobu!
Doufam, ze rozumis me (jeste neumim Cesky tak dobre), a mozna, ze potkame na Monastery party pristi rok (bohuzel ne tento rok, protoze nemam cas) a pijime vase vyborne Ceske pivo spolu! Na zdravi! :-)
Skoda, ze nemame hacky a carky tady... ;-)
All the best,
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Steppe
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Hey, this all went the wrong way. Sorry Joerg, for stepping on your toes, it WAS ironic. ;-) |
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Nafcom
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Quote: Hey, this all went the wrong way. Sorry Joerg, for stepping on your toes, it WAS ironic. ;-)
okay.
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Sad
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Sorry Bugjam, nechtel jsem se tim nikoho dotknout, ale mrzelo me, ze tolik nemcu dela v nemcine a tim padem to neni pro vsechny. Ta narazka na valku byla pro to, protoze mi pripada ze si stale plno nemcu mysli ze oni jsou ti nejlepsi a ze jsou neco vic nez my ostatni. |
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drake
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sad, it's good that you also see the other side now.... |
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Nafcom
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Quote: sad, it's good that you also see the other side now....
I don't see anything, I can't read the language?!
Could anyone please translate it into English please?!
I also would like to read such positive things from SAD! :)
Thanks in advance!
All the best!
Bye!
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DCMP
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Whether I think it is weird that Germans wite German in their diskmags? NO. I noticed that when I was in German many do not speak English, not even in public transport facilities' work.
It is also a big country so I cannot blame them for it either.. But I guess I would not read a German mag, even though most is decipherable, I guess they just want it to stay a "German thing" and the same goes with party sites that are only availiable in German. If they do not feel like translating it and miss a lot of visitors, that feel a bit unwelcome because of the chosen language, it's they're own problem/choice.
In example: if the North Party site wasn't availiable in English, many foreigners I guess might not even concidered going right?
Even though offcoarse babelfish can translate those German party pages, I guess they might be "German-insiders-secret-conspiracy-type-parties" ;-)
Nafcom: before you react. The last sentence IS a joke :P |
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TDJ
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Ah, finally I understand what this soft-speaking (but appearantly not soft-spoken) little boy wanted from me last weekend at the Primary Star party. Sad (because it is him I'm talking about) approached me on 2 different occasions, asking me if I was Tdj (I was), if I wrote some stuff in the forum here (all the time), if I was still active (Ben/Focus & me were working hard on a demo while he was asking this, so: yes), how long ago our my last production was (over 2 years) and since when I was active (1987, 16 years - some people at the party like Pixman weren't even born then!). He then walked away and Ben & me agreed that it was one of the lamest interviews ever but alas ..
Later Sander told me that Sad was complaining about me, asking people "who does he think he is?" (Tdj/Focus, at your service), and that I hadn't been active that long myself to have such a big mouth (..). The funny thing is, Sad was mad at me for slagging him down in this thread (which he deserved) but instead of really confronting me, he made an even bigger fool of himself. Because I had forgotten all about it, until I re-read some of the posts here.
Listen, I respect Padua - I was there when they first made a name for themselves (Horizon party 1990), I even almost joined them there but I think this shows the big difference between our groups: we would never have taken in such an idiot, no matter how talented he is (not that Sad is talented, but you catch my drift).
Now things got even better, because this week I received an email from Cactus/Oxyron who wanted to write something about the animosity between Nafcom/P.O.L. and me. Again something I didn't know about. I hardly know who he is but still I'm supposed to dislike him a lot.
Sad, Nafcom and all those other guys who may feel the same: please calm down. I haven't taken this scene (and its inhabitants) serious for years now. Last weekend's party was cool but the reason for me was that I could meet up with some old friends, like the Silicon Ltd. guys, Sonix/ex-WWE (I hadn't seen him for over 12 years) and ofcourse my Focus team-mates (there were 4 of us there - it's been a long time since that many of us were in the same room). Most of the people at the party were 'new-comers' and while I still think these people haven't got a clue what it was all about I respect them - I just don't feel they're in the same scene as I. I could write a whole story about that but I'll save it until a later time :)
ps: Sad, animosity means nafcom & me not like each other. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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Well, I was supposed not to write in here again, but I would like to want now for several reasons.
Interesting thing is: Why do so many people think that I dislike The Dark Judge a lot. I don't know him just like he doesn't know me too much.
I have never said that I dislike The Dark Judge and I refused to write anything about him when Cactus asked me to do so.
(And as I understood it in the recent post of The Dark Judge, he does not want to write anything negative about me, so thanks!).
I think even different than most may think. I respect a lot The Dark Judge for his words and his work and I appreciate it what he did and does and I even agree to some point with his opinion about Cactus.
So people, you won't ever read any negative words about The Dark Judge from my side. And it is nonsense to start the rumour that I dislike him, thank you!
@DCMP
I agree with you and yes, I understood your joke :D
So, anything else to say?!
All the best!
Bye!
Joerg
PS: It is nice to see that there are still some honest and clear thinking persons here like DCMP and The Dark Judge :)
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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TDJ write that opinion now, later would be too late. As far as your opinion about the current scene is concerned, it's hard to be part of something which is united itself and it's even harder to be part of something which is not united. Today scene is different from your younghood. The old friends are those who remember how it was when you were young. The new friends (if any) will never know you so good. As you said you respect those people, yeah, but it would be good if you sincerely kicked their (our) ass and told us what you think about people who you meet etc. What I really don't like on this newcomer-oldcomer problematics is the fact of no-way-out. But I believe there must be some way how to make this scene cooler place again ;-). And as far as SAD is concerned, seems like he tried hard, to use his english. Take that positively. He tried to communicate with you ;-). Yeah that's quite unfortunate that he jumps into fast conclusions, but well young people do... all the time. ;-) You were young too give him chance, old fart! ;-)
And hey, animosity with Nafcom? ;-) Hahhaah.. that sounds familiar. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Cool. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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> And hey, animosity with Nafcom? ;-) Hahhaah.. that sounds familiar.
I think this is a bad sentence. I don't have anything against anybody, and neither you ot TDJ.
Better let us be friendly to each other
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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That is not bad sentence ;-). There is a good saying for this. I can forgive, but I never forget... Anyway yeah everything is allright. And hey what is between you and TDJ anyway? ;-)) (okay, just joking ;-)
TDJ: what cool? |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: That is not bad sentence ;-). There is a good saying for this. I can forgive, but I never forget... Anyway yeah everything is allright. And hey what is between you and TDJ anyway? ;-)) (okay, just joking ;-)
TDJ: what cool?
Roman, cool was in response to Nafcom's response (..). I hadn't read your reply yet, but I'll think it over. I had some rather interesting discussions (with Drake/Anubis for example) which gave me some more insight .. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: That is not bad sentence ;-). There is a good saying for this. I can forgive, but I never forget... Anyway yeah everything is allright. And hey what is between you and TDJ anyway? ;-)) (okay, just joking ;-)
TDJ: what cool?
okay!...
Sorry again...
I don't know about any problems between TDJ and me...
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: Roman, cool was in response to Nafcom's response (..). I hadn't read your reply yet, but I'll think it over. I had some rather interesting discussions (with Drake/Anubis for example) which gave me some more insight ..
Thanks for your "cool" then :) |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Roman, cool was in response to Nafcom's response (..). I hadn't read your reply yet, but I'll think it over. I had some rather interesting discussions (with Drake/Anubis for example) which gave me some more insight ..
I don't know what kind of insight do you exactly mean. I've also chatted with Drake over ICQ and all insight I got is about him. Not about scene in general. I also was at North Party 8 some at the begining of August... in Warszaw, and I still don't believe I have insight into their scene.
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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I mean.. come on! I'm even more curious now. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Buy my book, it will all be revealed there. |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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I'll give you a hint though: "Reyn Design" (sorry Drake). |
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CreaMD
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Buy my book, it will all be revealed there.
Yo buy ma book, I buy yo book! Deal? Have a nice weekend. ;-) |
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drake
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nooooo, NOT reyn design! that was a stupid mistake, i was really really stupid!
but anyway, i agree with creamd's words that there's a difference between the 'old'scene and the 'new' scene.
and yes, it's a pitty that sad has only quick statements and conclusions but that's the way he his. i tried to have a discussion with him about gypsies and to give ppl a chance but for him it seems to be hard to understand.
i enyoyed the party much as there were a lot of dutch sceners from the 'old'scene and i hope it will give some motivation. so, tdj, hope to see you next year with a total different demo like you said ;-))
.drake
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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This is from an email I got from Cactus:
"Oops... It seems that I have made a little mistake. A huge apologies for that. I suppose that Commander has made me a big joke, because he told me that you and Nafcom dislike each other. Sorry for that once again!:.
So it seems that it's another trick from Commander in his never-ending quest for scene domination ..
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: This is from an email I got from Cactus:
"Oops... It seems that I have made a little mistake. A huge apologies for that. I suppose that Commander has made me a big joke, because he told me that you and Nafcom dislike each other. Sorry for that once again!:.
So it seems that it's another trick from Commander in his never-ending quest for scene domination ..
Hmm, I don't think so,
I more think he compared maybe what you have written and what I have written and thought they both disagree in some points.
And maybe some of them missunderstood it this equals like being enemies, too.
I don't know Sad and Cactus too well (I just forgot to mention Sad above in my reply to you, but I agree in some points about your point of you concerning him, too), but Serge (Commander) I know a bit better!... :)
I don't believe Serge has bad motives.
And I am glad you also refused to write negative about me like me writing negative about you, so thanks :)
Bye!
Joerg
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drake
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ooo..cactus. we know him..ask JSL/protovision... |
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anonym
Registered: Jan 2002
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Hmmm... Should I be saying something here? So much has already been said.
First of all I would like to state that we don't fully interview people and do a psychological character test when they come on board ;-)
I was shocked indeed when I first learned of this discussion here, but did some internal talking to help clear up the missunderstanding.
For one, I really like having younger members in a group, because it is a learning experience for everyone. Sad and LHS can improve their English, and maybe LHS can be a bit less shy about using it ;-) Also the whole group thing can have some educational effect. I've lived through similar things with other members in the 13 years or so that Padua as been around.
I can relate to some people TDJ's reviews when he runs down another release, but hey: Does it really mean he has to release something to be able to voice his opinion?
The rest of this specific topic with regards to criticism for productions leads us back to another thread that has been discussed here before, but I do not have the time to go there again at the moment.
Last but not least it definately is somewhat odd for a member of Padua to dislike Germans, considering that quite a few of his groupmates are from Germany. I still very much dislike putting people into boxes, and I am of course not proud of the German history. But then again, hardly any country can really be entirely proud of their history, if any at all.
Reminds me of flame wars on the boards, which somehow does not quite fit in with how the scene has changed to what it is today.
Not sure if I will have the time to continue following this thread, so don't expect me to read the replies ;-)
/Frank
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macx
Registered: Mar 2002
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i dunno if anyone made this solution available for the masses earlier, but in any way it is so clever it out to be repeated:
swedish.
welcome our latest user zxyo! |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: Hmm, I don't think so,
I more think he compared maybe what you have written and what I have written and thought they both disagree in some points.
And maybe some of them missunderstood it this equals like being enemies, too.
I don't know Sad and Cactus too well (I just forgot to mention Sad above in my reply to you, but I agree in some points about your point of you concerning him, too), but Serge (Commander) I know a bit better!... :)
I don't believe Serge has bad motives.
And I am glad you also refused to write negative about me like me writing negative about you, so thanks :)
Bye!
Joerg
Commander is evil, EVIL I TELL YOU!
Why else would he be building up an army, hmm?
Mark my words: HE WANTS TO TAKE OVER THE SCENE!
If he can't do it through quality releases, he'll do it through brute force.
Fear the man! |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: Commander is evil, EVIL I TELL YOU!
Why else would he be building up an army, hmm?
Mark my words: HE WANTS TO TAKE OVER THE SCENE!
If he can't do it through quality releases, he'll do it through brute force.
Fear the man!
I can't take this serious, sorry... |
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TDJ
Registered: Dec 2001
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Quote: I can't take this serious, sorry...
Well, you're not supposed to .. |
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hollowman
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 474 |
Quote: I can't take this serious, sorry...
yes, that's what we all say about commander
and his quality releases. |
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Nafcom
Registered: Apr 2002
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Quote: yes, that's what we all say about commander
and his quality releases.
I meant more that what TDJ posted... :)
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drake
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maybe thats a reason not to join role. they try to take over the scene with masses of magazines (rock'n roll and their adopted magazine which is obviously a spiders-mag, arachnophobia) nothing bad about arachno....but role has 2030494593493,4 not so active ppl and only 3 active guys.
my question then should be like: compared to some years ago...should the releases contain less quality in general? i mean demo's and such wares... |
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Intensity
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C'Mon, ROLE is a good entrance for the 64 scene if you have never done anything in this area before.
Everybody know that this is a good group for newbies, and we should be thankful to commander who cares about the scene in this way. The releases might lack, but as a newbie you get in contact with a lot of people if you have entered such a group and thus you can develop very faster.
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drake
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funny...role as kindergarten ;-)
okay, we should pay some respect to commander (nothing bad about serge) but got m point? |
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Intensity
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Drake, the point is, that you are not more productive than the Role-members, and the quality of your productions are not better than the Role-Stuff, too.
So, what you are complaining about?
.: Intensity :. |
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drake
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did i say something about MY quality? to be honest i was only joking. but i already stated my point:
my question then should be like: compared to some years ago...should the releases contain less quality in general? i mean demo's and such wares...
sometimes it seems everythings is already done before so what should we do now? go on with making the same demo's and games and other productions. i don't want to nag on ppl or production. i never want to put the jokes on commander. so, sorry if i bothered you. |
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Dane
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"sometimes it seems everything is already done before"
O ye of little faith...you have surprises in store for you. |
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Oxidy
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@Dane;
"you have surprises in store for you."
That's one weird sentence.. ;) |
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Dane
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Well, grammar had already been done before so... :) |
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Intensity
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LOL |
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drake
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x_x |
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LHS
Registered: Dec 2002
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Hi Drake, how are you (jak se mas)?
Have you any C64 at home? :o) |
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drake
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Posts: 207 |
OMG!
dobre,
jak se te! ;)
i still have my c64 at home. was a little bit ill last weeks and my dad is very ill (will take half a year be4 he can work again)
now i'm fine.
ciao
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