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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
Questions from a complete MMC Reply+RR Net n00b
Yeah, that would be me then.
I get these error messages:
In WarpCopy: No reply from 192.168.1.64:6644. What's wrong?
On the MMC Replay: I press F1 to start filebrowsing. Screen just quickly flashes and I'm still at the main menu.
Can someone please explain what I need to do to get this working. And write like your explaining to a five year old.
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A Life in Hell
Account closed
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 204 |
for warpcopy, first dumb question: you loaded the wcserver.prg on the c64 side, right?
secondly: what's the IP of your PC? it needs to be in the same subnet as the one wcserver.prg is expecting (there is a tool to patch that binary, iirc) |
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ΛΛdZ
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 153 |
Remember to start codenet on the c64.
On c64:
type "codenet" or press [F6] to start codenet.
Edit: Remember also to connect the RRnet to the network ;)
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
@sad panda is sad:
No. How do I get the program over there?
I should have configurated the IP correctly. I used SETIP and the C64's got 192.168.1.64 and my PC 192.168.1.3. The text says "ROM file successfully updated."
@MdZ:
Typing codenet in BASIC doesn't work. Any other ideas? |
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Devia
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 401 |
Have you read: http://retrohackers.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=60 ?
iirc, you need an SD card mounted to enter the filebrowser and the SD needs to be FAT16 or FAT32 formatted.
You need to download the "The Final Replay" ROM and use setip to give it an IP address and THEN flash it onto a free bank on your MMC Replay. When it's flashed to a bank, you can start the rom and you should have a BASIC prompt with a banner saying something like "**** THE FINAL REPLAY V0.8 ****".
THEN press F6 (SHIFT+F5 for the complete n00b :P) and CodeNet will start and you see a black screen with the IP and MAC addresses and some other info.
THEN you start WarpCopy on your pc and make sure the correct IP address of your C64 is entered at the bottom of the programs window. Then press the "SEND SERVER" button and verify on the C64 screen that it loads the WarpCopy64 server thingie.
Next insert a 1541 floppy and press "Directory" in WarpCopy on the PC...
This is all from my memory, which might be slightly corrupted!
Oh, yeah.. the IP's need to be on the same subnet of course, e.g. PC IP: 192.168.1.65 and C64 IP: 192.168.1.64
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Devia
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 401 |
oh, yeah.. and although WarpCopy Client is a GREAT!!! program.. it does have its quircks ;-)
Sometimes you cannot restore the minimized window by clicking the icon on the taskbar, then you need to right-click instead.. weird ;)
Sometimes after writing an image the program seems to hang. Then just press "Directory" and all is ok again ;-)
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
Hey guys,
Thanks for your answers so far. I finally got some time to look at this again.
* I can now see the files in the filebrowser (F1), I can start programs etc. I see the directory from a floppy in Warcopy on the PC and I can extract single files without problems. But when I want to copy a whole disk side, this is what I see after a while:
At first, things seem to run smoothly, but after a while, the blue squares appear and nothing seems to happen (apart from the fact that more blue dots appear). What does the blue colour mean? http://www.oxyron.de/html/wc64.html only explains green, yellow, red and black. I've tried with different disks. Same result.
* I still can't Send Server. What could be wrong? What does this mean anyway?
* I flash the Final Replay and this is what I get on the standard blue screen when pressing F6 (or type Codenet):
Codenet:
RR-Net found. CS8900A Revision D
What is this used for? I see no MAC address or IP.
* I do this from http://retrohackers.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=60: "5.1. In the Command Shell you CD to the directory where you unzipped the stuff. Then simply type: codenet -x WARPCOPY06.PRG -n 192.168.0.64" but I get the error message:
C64 did not acknowledge file transfer request.
Why? As I said, I can start the Warpcopy server from the filebrowser. Do I need this? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
when those blue squares appear (usually linear, not scattered like normal blocks) you have most likely hit that damned bug in the warpcopy server (usually it should indicate a packet that was lost, and the server should resend). in such case, often opening and closing the floppy drawer for a second makes it go on ...
this should only happen occasionally though, if it *always* happens, then check your network setup. |
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
Thanks G! Will try that.
I managed to copy a whole disk side without "Fast IEC" (as set in WarpCopy on the PC) but that took like 10 minutes. I use a 1541-II drive. Does that matter?
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
are you using a ntsc setup by any chance? *afaik* the fast iec routines only work on pal. |
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swasti
Registered: Jul 2007
Posts: 120 |
1541-ii is ok. i also use this.
how is the rr-net connected to your pc?
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Graham
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Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
"blue square" means packet loss. Something is wrong with your network. Are you using a C128D with plastic case? The one I tried wasn't able to use RR-net stable (lot's of packet losses too).
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Devia
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 401 |
Indeed it looks like a network issue.
Some c64/c64c/sx-64/c128 have serious issues with RR-Net, even with the improved timing stuff done on the MMC-Replay.
In my exp. very old C64 and SX-64 are most prone to this. Graham is the only one I ever know of who reported issues with a C128D - and this was with RetroReplay and not MMC-Replay, right?
When you press F6 in TFR and it says:
Codenet:
RR-Net found. CS8900A Revision D
This is where it is "listening" and you should be able to "Send Server" from WarpCopy.
If this fails, you have shitty Network or hit a bug in WarpCopy (yes Graham, that "can" happen ;-) )
To get an "idea" of the stability of the whole thing you can do a:
ping 192.168.1.64 -t
from your pc, when you have pressed F6 in TFR and the BASIC screen says:
Codenet:
RR-Net found. CS8900A Revision D
Let the ping run for some minutes and review the results. There should NOT be any "Request timed out" messages... well one or two over a 2 minute period "can" happen, but if every 2nd or 3rd ping gives "Request timed out", you have a serious issue. |
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ΛΛdZ
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 153 |
Im sure the "blue" squares came after the entire disks was
transfered. First run gives black, red, yellow and green
squares. Then afterwors u might get blue...
I had similar problems if a disks was very dirty. Solution for
me was to clean the drive head (sometimes again and again) to
get a disk transfered. An 1541-II model is much easier to use,
since u can clean the head while transfering easier than with
the 1541-I models.
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ΛΛdZ
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 153 |
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
The blue boxes still appear. If I open and close the drawer, the reader stops when open and starts again after a while when closed.
What could wrong with my network setup if I can transfer a disk the slow way? I got the RR-Net and my PC connected to a router. The C64 is the C64C.
How can I check if I use a PAL or NTSC setup?
With "ping 192.168.1.64 -t" I *only* get "Request timed out". How can I fix this? |
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ΛΛdZ
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 153 |
Does the blue-boxes come in "first" run ?
--- probably no, so what color did the boxes have before they
turned blue ?
And did u try to clean the drive-head ?
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
Hey Mads,
I did not clean the head yet. But do I really need to do that when I can load programs on the C64 without problems and when I can transfer disks at slow speed.
Before they turn blue, they're red. The first 4-5 something fill in quickly, but the other takes forever. |
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ΛΛdZ
Registered: Jul 2005
Posts: 153 |
Try to clean the head, and keep "cleaning" it until the head
remains clean... if u still have the problem, then I could
suspect your drive to have a problem with "fast-speed", in
that case, please try to transfer the disk in "slow-speed"
and tell us if u get same results.
Alternatively try to use another drive to see if that gives
same results.
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 723 |
u seem to be having a similar problem like i did when i 1st tried using my retro replay and the rr-net
i think the problem u have is with your network
let me see if i can find what i wrote down at the time because im sure thats the problem your having
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
Thanks a bunch! |
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 723 |
just about to set everything up morpheus...if it all works including send server ill either write you a step by step instruction document or maybe when your online we could msn/what ever you use so that i can take you through this step by step
which ever is easiest for you |
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 723 |
well mine is working fine now
all i did was as follows:-
bought a sd memory card
formatted it like fat32
placed a folder in the root of the card called "SYSTEM64"
placed TFR08.bin in this folder above
then i used f5 which is the flash rom tool
i flashed 0 with the tfr08.bin file which was on the sc card
gave it the name tfr08 + rrnet as tfr08 has codenet and the final replay built in
once that finished i reset the mmc and clicked 0 which then goes to the final replay v0.8 on the c64
i then press f6
and get
ready.
codenet:
rr-net found. cs8900A revision D
i then click send server on warpcopy which is on my laptop and thats it
all works well...
so if you set the correct ip etc i think it would be a good idea to give the heads on your floppy a little clean...reason being is your using an extremely fast copying routine in warcopy to transferr the disk and any dirt on the disk will be picked up easily where as when you do a slow copy it has chance to get around the dirt by reading a few times and then eventually going on
and you know the best way to clean the heads right??
remove the top, get some cotton buds that are used for cleaning ears out....and here is the final top tip courtesy of the transferr team (acidchild,mace,mdz and mason) use spit on the cotton button from your mouth and this cleans the heads very well indeed :)
let me know if you have anymore problems and error codes if any ok
best of luck
maestro
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
Hey Rod,
First off, great meeting you at X!
Secondly, I get things working 'till "rr-net found. cs8900A revision D", but I can't send server ("Could not send server to C64!"). I checked the heads in the 1541-II and they were reeeeeally dirty, cleaned them but still no success.
Network seems to be working as it should as I get the directory in Warpcopy and I can also still copy a disk in slow-mo. Can the network cables/router be a problem with this information in mind? |
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 723 |
yes the cables/router could be at fault but doesnt sound like they are
still seems like either a network problem or maybe the firewall
just a thought instead of using 192.168.1.3 and 192.168.1.64 change the 1 on both ip's to 0 as i do remember i had some problem there when i 1st started
also what OS are you running??
and last but not least it was also very cool to meet you at x2008 also....now im looking forward to x2010 :) |
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Graham
Account closed
Registered: Dec 2002
Posts: 990 |
you can also change the netmask to 255.255.0.0 and you can use the 192.168.1.x address from a 192.168.0.x machine. |
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
Hello again,
This is turning out to be a bigger hassle than expected.
I'm on XP. I can't change to 192.168.0.64. There can't be a zero there, I must use 192.168.1.64 or it won't work.
I write "SETIP 192.168.1.64 192.168.1.3" and the ROM file is successfully updated, but when I run IPCONFIG, all I see is:
Ethernet card for local network
IP-address................192.168.1.6
Ehternet card for wireless connection
IP-address................192.168.1.2
Shouldn't it atleast say 192.168.1.3 which is the PC IP I set with SETIP? |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11293 |
hu? why would changing the ip in the rom change the ip of your pc ?! |
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 723 |
yepp theres your problem
change the ip on your ethernet card
and all should be ok |
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Morpheus
Registered: Feb 2004
Posts: 152 |
OK, so I've been able to copy some disks in fast mode. Thanks for being there with me maestro. :)
But (Of course) the only way I get it to work is if I press the "Format"-button in Warpcopy first without actually formatting the disk. Drive resets, I put disk in, Warpcopy copies the disk, all works well. But when I wanna do the backside, I'm back to the old problem (can copy in slow mode only).
Any ideas? |
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maestro
Registered: Mar 2004
Posts: 723 |
a few things come to mind but not sure about any of them 100%.
just looking back at the problems i had a long time ago maybe one of these could help
1. i changed my ethernet cable (to a better made one maybe this could be a problem)
2. try downloading another warpcopy just incase the one you downloaded has problems with it
3. the settings i used that worked where as follows:-
ip 192.168.1.64 for warpcopy
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.1.1
dns 192.168.1.1
you could also try changing the speed/duplex settings |
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spider-j
Registered: Oct 2004
Posts: 485 |
There's no use in posting settings that worked.
Gateway and dns depends on your router (usually the router's IP) and it also depends on your router which IP you can use for your C64 (DHCP adress range).
If you want to get RR-Net working properly you have to know a little bit about your network first. |
