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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Intro Creation Competition Lite - Rules draft
This is another crazy idea - born at Mibri's demo show this week. Rules are draft and may be different if the compo really happens. So here is a draft for the rules:
Intro Creation Competition Lite
Task: Create an intro using an available intro maker.
Another compo idea from Mibri's demo show.
Rules:
- Intro must be created using an already available intro maker. Don't code your own for the compo! You have to add a link to the used intro maker when posting your entry.
- You may only change what the intro maker allows you to. No custom code or code hacks are allowed.
- Intro must be exitable by pressing a key (usually SPACE). Run/Stop+Restore to make it crash does not qualify for this function. ;-)
- Your entry must be executable and be handed in as PRG or D64. You are of course allowed to compress it.
So what do you think? Anyone up to join in. Annotations to the rules? |
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iAN CooG
Registered: May 2002
Posts: 3132 |
please no, why? |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
For the fun and against corona boredom. ;-) |
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rexbeng
Registered: Aug 2012
Posts: 30 |
This looks to be interesting from a designer's point of view. Would be useful to post a list of those intro-makers. |
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Shine
Registered: Jul 2012
Posts: 327 |
@Didi:
If you are bored, make the promised collection...
Event id #2889 : Intro Creation Competition 2019 |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
@Shine: I am not bored but maybe some others are. ;-)
One of the most well known might be Intro Designer 3 which offers a lot of options. |
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MCM
Registered: Apr 2018
Posts: 21 |
I am in, why not. Could be very funny ! Reminds me of a never released one done by me 4 magic disk. |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
NO!
what the fuck?
Take this shit to Lemon64 or Forum64, not here. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
can I create a new intro maker and use it to create an intro for the intro maker compo? or is that cheating? :)
anyway I like Didi's idea, because it could happen that a non-coder will have the best entry. Me in, but I don't run any intro maker since 1988 or so... |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
Quoting ZeSmashercan I create a new intro maker and use it to create an intro for the intro maker compo? or is that cheating? :)
Hmmm, I guess that's not an entirely retarded idea.
Quote:
anyway I like Didi's idea, because it could happen that a non-coder will have the best entry. Me in, but I don't run any intro maker since 1988 or so...
For some reason I didn't fuck up my school and go to war with my parents about c64 demos just to use an intro creator.
Did I fuck up? Probably. Did I learn picking those intro's apart and later horizon/bones demos, yes.
To suggest a compo using some ready-made tool is offensive to me.
Also, piemel! |
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Raistlin
Registered: Mar 2007
Posts: 557 |
If an exploit is found for an intro maker, is that allowed? Eg. What if we find that loading a 64kb scrolltext allows us to loop through memory and overwrite ALL code (somehow without a crash)? |
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Compyx
Registered: Jan 2005
Posts: 631 |
You're on the right track. What about using a intro maker that allows loading SIDs? And the init of the SID would set up a proper intro? |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619 |
I'm going to search through the intro makers on my Ultimate 64 and various PD disks and see if there's any suitable ones for me to join in the fun ;) Although I do prefer to program my own ... :D |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
Is using "CRESTS DEMOMAKER.PRG" on the tools disk of Krestology 100% allowed? |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
Quote:For some reason I didn't fuck up my school and go to war with my parents about c64 demos just to use an intro creator.
Did I fuck up? Probably. Did I learn picking those intro's apart and later horizon/bones demos, yes.
To suggest a compo using some ready-made tool is offensive to me.
I ctrl-c ctrl-v what you said. my mum reminds me everytime I meet her how I wasted my best years in front of the thing, she doesn't know I'm still addict today...
this compo is like asking Gordon Ramsay to put frozen lasagna in a microwave or selling books to Jeff Bezos. So not only offensive as you said, but humiliating too. who knows, maybe a compo like this will destroy me or make me a better man?
Compyx, do you want to do a coop entry for this compo? I choose the rastercolors and the font, you choose the sid and you will also type the scrolltext :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
Can i screw up the disk after you saved the intro to it? |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
I like the exploit suggestions, though. Could make for interesting twists on the ever-similar output of those tools.
Then the rules should include submitting step-by-step instructions and the files used to load into the tool. Some magic key combos or similar should be alright, too. Just not breaking into monitor and patching things or runstop+restore plus magic SYS or something, probably. |
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hedning
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 4595 |
A more constructive and fun idea is to make the most badass intromaker on C64 anno 2020.
More challenging and fun, if we need to go the intromaker road. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
a even more constructive idea is the intro maker maker compo. you code a program that creates intro makers :) |
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Richard
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 619 |
Quote: a even more constructive idea is the intro maker maker compo. you code a program that creates intro makers :)
Thumbs up for that idea :). |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2070 |
Though there has been a lot of eye-rolling and frowning already and personally, I wouldn't know why...
Why not if it makes anybody happy FFS
Will end as a gfx compo mostly, however
@Turing machine / A.I. approach: Let's do a compo who codes the best CSDb forums troll comment bot :P
PS: I start
10 input"enter your posting";a$
20 print "go to lemon64!"
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Conjuror
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 168 |
FUCK NO |
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ChristopherJam
Registered: Aug 2004
Posts: 1378 |
What if I made a demo maker in 2018, but never got around to releasing it because I haven't finished the music or graphics for the example demo yet? |
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Oswald
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 5017 |
why not an intro compo with more strict limits, so demoparts like intros not possible, more focus on design. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
perhaps... like "only use 4k memory footprint" |
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tlr
Registered: Sep 2003
Posts: 1714 |
Quote: perhaps... like "only use 4k memory footprint"
How about low 2k + color ram? (i.e $0000-$07ff + $d800-$dbff). Possibly, but just possibly, $fffa/$fffb, $fffe/$ffff and $39ff/$3fff if fully restored afterwards. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
I think topic title must be changed now. Something like "csdb compo for compo idea 2020" :) |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
"Intro Compo Creation Competition" |
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Adam
Registered: Jul 2009
Posts: 321 |
Quote: This is another crazy idea - born at Mibri's demo show this week. Rules are draft and may be different if the compo really happens. So here is a draft for the rules:
Intro Creation Competition Lite
Task: Create an intro using an available intro maker.
Another compo idea from Mibri's demo show.
Rules:
- Intro must be created using an already available intro maker. Don't code your own for the compo! You have to add a link to the used intro maker when posting your entry.
- You may only change what the intro maker allows you to. No custom code or code hacks are allowed.
- Intro must be exitable by pressing a key (usually SPACE). Run/Stop+Restore to make it crash does not qualify for this function. ;-)
- Your entry must be executable and be handed in as PRG or D64. You are of course allowed to compress it.
So what do you think? Anyone up to join in. Annotations to the rules?
nobody is this bored, didi. nobody. |
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Dwangi
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 129 |
Naah I would rather see DOTY 2020 instead. |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
Quote: "Intro Compo Creation Competition"
yeah, that's the correct name.
Sorry Didi, I wanted to support you and your idea but it seems you are collecting more NO than YES.
you could try to create a release with an intro maker as example, with some special fx, so people will rethink and say "hey, that idea is not bad after all".
Otherwise if I were you I wouldn't risk such a compo. |
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Ksubi
Account closed
Registered: Nov 2007
Posts: 87 |
What Dwangi said. DOTY would be so much more fun! |
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Krill
Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839 |
If anybody really wants to go meta, then there should be an "intro component compo" instead.
Agree upon a common API/framework for scrollers, bitmaps, themes and other elements of a typical intro, then those who don't think it's an entirely ridiculous idea implement any of those.
In the end, lots (...) of different parts to combine for actual intros.
Don't expect much more than typical run-off-the-mill intromaker intros, though. But surprises do happen. |
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Didi
Registered: Nov 2011
Posts: 479 |
Well, from the reactions I will close this as the crazy idea it was - it will not happen... at least not organized by me. |
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chatGPZ
Registered: Dec 2001
Posts: 11114 |
why not make an "intro linking competition" instead?
oh, wait... |
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Smasher
Registered: Feb 2003
Posts: 512 |
DO-TY! DO-TY!! DO-TY!!! |
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TheRyk
Registered: Mar 2009
Posts: 2070 |
gpz: intro linking compo is always on, they call it list/charts/stats/younameit
DOTY: Definetely not a bad year for that, I suggest a deadline in fall or even New Year's Eve. Summer should be reserved for sillier stuff. |
