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2022-08-13 16:13
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
Small Filebrowser with fastloader for Pi1541

Hello all!
Since I'm using my Handheld 64 with Pi1541 and I am neither willing to JiffyDOS it nor have a utility cart plugged in at all times, I am wondering why nobody married the Pi1541 FB64 (the modded one from the Pi1541-homepage) with a fast and small software fastloader such as "25x Turbo" (25 X Turbo) to include that in the FB64 binary and run it just before loading whatever is chosen to load from FB64. There really is no need to use slooooow ROM loading a la SD2IEC when the Pi1541 can handle fast loaders, is there?

Now, while we're at it, adding a simple "N:Newdisk" DOS command feature to create and mount new .d64s right in FB64 (default behaviour when it's in SD2IEC mode!) would seem like a really useful addition, too, and maybe possibly delete and rename, too!...

Any takers here? ;-) I tried to convince a few people like Bitbreaker, GRG and FieserWolf to do it, but that didn't go anywhere because neither of them have a Pi1541....

P.S: "Dir Plus" from boray.se actually does the .d64 creation, rename and delete and even move on Pi1541, but unfortunately not the speedloader bit. Also it's like 100 blocks big, so utterly unuseable as an FB64 alternative!...
 
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2022-09-03 12:58
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
Quote: Just try neverfast.prg on a stock kernal. The actual recognition mechanism should be ok, it's the mechanism that enables/disables fastloading and automatic PRG mounting that needs testing.

To summarize, on a stock kernal:
- "kc" should always fastload, just like the previuos version
- "neverfast" should never fastload and never mount PRGs

EDIT: I can easily test the kernal recognition part under emulation


Okay, I tested it on my Handheld with stock kernel:
neverfast always loads slow (tested: prg (no mounting), lst with d64s, d64, t64 (also multi-file), d81)
KC loads fast on the files that it should (prg (mounted), lst with d64s, d64, t64 (also multi-file)) and doesn't on d81

If the alternate kernel detection works i guess we can consider this a success! ;-D Great!

Should we release/git-submit it now or do you reckon that you could add the new disk command thing? it's just asking for a max 16 char string and then send a "N:$string,xx" DOS command (the ,xx bit is crucial, it won't work without!) in SD2IEC mode really.. it gets automounted after creation btw by Pi1541!
Scratch (S:) and rename (R:) would also be possible, but I fear that would create all kinds of problems with FB64 not being able to process longer filenames, huh?
2022-09-04 18:02
TSM

Registered: Jan 2007
Posts: 42
Latest source code + turbo binaries:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FRx2b3BFbrXbuaeqcAD4st_hHVP1vs..

I think the "new disk / scratch / rename" stuff doesn't really belong in this piece of software. Users should have "dracopy" (*) or something similar in their SD cards for such operations. On top of that, a number of checks should be implemented to prevent filename conflicts etc., which in turn would bloat the program and make the source code even more convoluted than it is.

This source should still build all the versions the old one does but it's still somewhat "hackish", so I would advice keeping it separate from the Pi1541's official repository. I don't use git or github, so do as you see fit. Maybe upload it to CDSb?

* Be sure to name it "dracopy" with no extension ;-)
2022-09-05 14:27
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
I'm quite sure I tried dracopy with Pi1541 and it didn't work with its somewhat limited SD2IEC compatibility. I've tried a shitload of filebrowsers, but the only ones that worked are those that were specifically adjusted for and tested with Pi1541, i.e. FB64 aka CBMfilebrowser and Boray.se's Dir Plus!...

From the screenshot I think I've tried it, but I shall try once again... Which version do you recommend, TSM?
2022-09-05 19:14
TSM

Registered: Jan 2007
Posts: 42
I wasn't aware of all these problems. Apparently, Dir Plus is your only choice and even that will fail from time to time.
2022-09-05 21:12
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
okay, I tried Dracopy with Pi1541. v1.0d won't even start, the progress bar grows gor a minute or so and then i get a blue screen. v1.0e does start, but shows nothing and does not react to any keypresses..
2022-09-06 00:02
TSM

Registered: Jan 2007
Posts: 42
Sadly, the only program that will (mostly) work for you is probably Dir Plus. The old CBM Command is worth a shot, though.
Anyway, can I see this famous handheld 64 that you have? :-)
2022-09-06 09:41
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
Quote: Sadly, the only program that will (mostly) work for you is probably Dir Plus. The old CBM Command is worth a shot, though.
Anyway, can I see this famous handheld 64 that you have? :-)


Sure: https://youtu.be/3HPQoBLAABs?t=969
..and in German:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGeMEu-VzSU
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPOQ4V2D_-o

I may have actually missed cbmcommand in my testing, cause I cannot remember its UI. But that may be because it just wouldn't start! ;-) I shall try it out!...
2022-09-07 00:34
TSM

Registered: Jan 2007
Posts: 42
Unbelievable! And it runs on batteries!
2022-09-07 07:15
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
Thanks, yeah, I'm very proud of it and I love it! ;-D

Just did some stopwatch speed measurements on it btw, I'm seeing exactly a 7.5x speed gain on the Pi1541 (88.5 sec for 202 Blocks of One-Der on stock, 11.8 sec with Turbo), giving us 17.1 blocks or about 4.4kb a second.

The Retro Replay loader takes about 9.5 seconds, yielding a 9.3x speedup...
2022-09-08 08:17
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
Okay, after finding much higher times for 202 blocks on stock online I figured that loading the PRG in SD2IEC mode was probably not the best idea.
So I measured again without FB64 and One-der PRG mounted and got 10.4s for 25x Turbo (slightly faster, cause the loader does not need to be installed first) and 130.8s for stock. This gives us a 12.6x speedup (19.4 blocks/s or 4.9kb/s) for 25x Turbo (or 11x from FB64 with loader installation first.. and 13.8x for Retro Replay!)..
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