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2022-08-13 16:13
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
Small Filebrowser with fastloader for Pi1541

Hello all!
Since I'm using my Handheld 64 with Pi1541 and I am neither willing to JiffyDOS it nor have a utility cart plugged in at all times, I am wondering why nobody married the Pi1541 FB64 (the modded one from the Pi1541-homepage) with a fast and small software fastloader such as "25x Turbo" (25 X Turbo) to include that in the FB64 binary and run it just before loading whatever is chosen to load from FB64. There really is no need to use slooooow ROM loading a la SD2IEC when the Pi1541 can handle fast loaders, is there?

Now, while we're at it, adding a simple "N:Newdisk" DOS command feature to create and mount new .d64s right in FB64 (default behaviour when it's in SD2IEC mode!) would seem like a really useful addition, too, and maybe possibly delete and rename, too!...

Any takers here? ;-) I tried to convince a few people like Bitbreaker, GRG and FieserWolf to do it, but that didn't go anywhere because neither of them have a Pi1541....

P.S: "Dir Plus" from boray.se actually does the .d64 creation, rename and delete and even move on Pi1541, but unfortunately not the speedloader bit. Also it's like 100 blocks big, so utterly unuseable as an FB64 alternative!...
 
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2022-08-15 11:34
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839
Quoting DeeKay
Well, I thought with the insane advances we've in the past decade regarding loaders, I thought that sth from 1986 would be just as outdated as, say, the sample playback from back in those days! 8)
Nah, the actual advances aren't that much. :) While the SID thingies were entirely new inventions/discoveries, the drive stuff was more like incremental updates and combining all tricks in the book for once. Some new things, too, of course, but with modest overall impact.

Quoting DeeKay
Yes, please do add the fallback loader to transwarp! And please do make a small standalone version of it, too, without the transwarp parts! ;-D
No such plans for the latter, actually. Why is "smallness" so important? Is it just a proxy for "quick boot-time" or do you really need the space (on disk)? Transwarp currently boots in 1.7-1.9 seconds, and that's for 32 blocks.
2022-08-15 13:23
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
For something that is loaded with ROM routines always on start before anything else, size matters a lot. If I need to wait 15 seconds until an 8kb loader loads, it kinda defeats the purpose of having a fastloader! ;-)
2022-08-15 13:27
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839
Quoting DeeKay
For something that is loaded with ROM routines always on start before anything else, size matters a lot. If I need to wait 15 seconds until an 8kb loader loads, it kinda defeats the purpose of having a fastloader! ;-)
As i said, those 8 KB load in under 2 seconds. There's a small boot-fastloader in the first 2 of those 32 blocks. =)
2022-08-15 15:06
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
Okay, I tried loading both MM and 25x Turbo before loading and running FB64. MM seems to deactivate itself after loading FB64, so there is no speedloader anymore, and with 25x active FB64 only reads and displays garbage. Seems it will have to be done the way I envisioned it: Installing the fast loader just before loading the chosen file...
2022-08-15 15:11
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
Quote: Quoting DeeKay
For something that is loaded with ROM routines always on start before anything else, size matters a lot. If I need to wait 15 seconds until an 8kb loader loads, it kinda defeats the purpose of having a fastloader! ;-)
As i said, those 8 KB load in under 2 seconds. There's a small boot-fastloader in the first 2 of those 32 blocks. =)


okay... but as long as there's no fallback loader for non-transwarp disks I cannot use it. Also, autostart files won't work in SD2IEC mode. I can set a .d64 as automount in the Pi1541 config though, which could help with autostart loader solutions...
2022-08-15 15:35
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839
Quoting DeeKay
autostart files won't work in SD2IEC mode. I can set a .d64 as automount in the Pi1541 config though, which could help with autostart loader solutions...
Kinda confusing what in your setup is running with proper emulation and what with SD2IEC. If it cannot properly run ,8,1 autostart files, then maybe it can inject to RAM? In which case size doesn't matter, ofc. =)
2022-08-15 16:34
DeeKay

Registered: Nov 2002
Posts: 362
Pi1541 knows two modes: SD2IEC mode, in which you can change directories, create and mount new .d64s (simply via N:disk.d64!), rename and delete files and mount .d64s , .prgs, .t64s and .lst files - upon which it changes into cycle exact emulation mode, in which the only thing that's still different is the command "CD:<-" (Arrow left) to get out of emulation mode back into SD2IEC mode..
2022-08-15 16:56
Krill

Registered: Apr 2002
Posts: 2839
Quoting DeeKay
with 25x active FB64 only reads and displays garbage. Seems it will have to be done the way I envisioned it: Installing the fast loader just before loading the chosen file...
Could also be there's a bug in FB64, or at least a necessity to make it behave nicely with pre-installed fastloaders.

So, for a test, what happens if you encode FB64 and some random payload .prg as Transwarp files on a .d64, then LOAD"FB64",8,1 then load the payload file from FB64?
2022-08-16 03:13
TSM

Registered: Jan 2007
Posts: 42
Hello, here's my try at adding 25X fastload to the Pi1541's filebrowser:

https://easyupload.io/0sev8c

EDIT: never mind, it doesn't work.
2022-08-17 03:21
TSM

Registered: Jan 2007
Posts: 42
Second attempt. If anyone is interested, please test and report back (I can't because I haven't got the hardware).

https://easyupload.io/bccdxh
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